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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h1si73779wib.0.2014.10.23.05.46.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::231; Received: by mail-wi0-x231.google.com with SMTP id ex7so1690506wid.10 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:46:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.211.206 with SMTP id ne14mr45091073wic.79.1414068372970; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.103.65 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:46:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2131186.nME9g42FdL@caracal> References: <2131186.nME9g42FdL@caracal> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:46:12 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "music of a song" vs. "song". How to say? From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c37d440f2314050616739b X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 5384 --001a11c37d440f2314050616739b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Can you please get rid of {pe} and its underlying {co'e}? 2014-10-23 16:40 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat : > On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 21:50:35 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > Usage shows that {lo selsa'a} means "song" rather than "words/music of > > song". > > > > Now how to say > > "voice of a song" > > "music of a song" > > "words of the song X" > > "I sang the phrase Y from the song X" > > "I sang the song X"? > > For "words of a song" I'd say "vlapoi pe lo selsa'a", so I'd say "togypoi" > for > "melody". There's also "vlamei"; "togmei" could be useful when the music > isn't > a single sequence but consists of voices. > > The voices are tcesutsli, mlisutsli, mlisnosli, and tcesnosli, but I don't > know what the word for "voice" in this sense is. These words can also > denote > completely different frequency ranges when talking about radio. > > "phrase" could be "selsa'aspi". > > Pierre > -- > .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do > .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga > .icu'u la ma'atman. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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Can you please get rid of {pe} and its underlying {co'= e}?

2014-10-= 23 16:40 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Tuesd= ay, October 21, 2014 21:50:35 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> Usage shows that {lo selsa'a} means "song" rather than &= quot;words/music of
> song".
>
> Now how to say
> "voice of a song"
> "music of a song"
> "words of the song X"
> "I sang the phrase Y from the song X"
> "I sang the song X"?

For "words of a song" I'd say "vlapoi pe lo = selsa'a", so I'd say "togypoi" for
"melody". There's also "vlamei"; "togmei"= could be useful when the music isn't
a single sequence but consists of voices.

The voices are tcesutsli, mlisutsli, mlisnosli, and tcesnosli, but I don= 9;t
know what the word for "voice" in this sense is. These words can = also denote
completely different frequency ranges when talking about radio.

"phrase" could be "selsa'aspi".

Pierre
--
.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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