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How to say? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_367_491043885.1414070026116" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Content-Length: 6435 ------=_Part_367_491043885.1414070026116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Maybe: vlapoi poi cusku fi ke'a lo selsa'a (no idea about others) mu'o mi'e ianek On Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:46:15 PM UTC+2, la gleki wrote: > > Can you please get rid of {pe} and its underlying {co'e}? > > 2014-10-23 16:40 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat > > : > >> On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 21:50:35 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >> > Usage shows that {lo selsa'a} means "song" rather than "words/music of >> > song". >> > >> > Now how to say >> > "voice of a song" >> > "music of a song" >> > "words of the song X" >> > "I sang the phrase Y from the song X" >> > "I sang the song X"? >> >> For "words of a song" I'd say "vlapoi pe lo selsa'a", so I'd say >> "togypoi" for >> "melody". There's also "vlamei"; "togmei" could be useful when the music >> isn't >> a single sequence but consists of voices. >> >> The voices are tcesutsli, mlisutsli, mlisnosli, and tcesnosli, but I don't >> know what the word for "voice" in this sense is. These words can also >> denote >> completely different frequency ranges when talking about radio. >> >> "phrase" could be "selsa'aspi". >> >> Pierre >> -- >> .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do >> .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga >> .icu'u la ma'atman. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban-beginne...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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Maybe:
vlapoi poi cusku fi ke'a lo selsa'a

(no i= dea about others)

mu'o mi'e ianek

On Thursday, October 23, 20= 14 2:46:15 PM UTC+2, la gleki wrote:
Can you please get rid of {pe} and its underlying {c= o'e}?

2014-10-23 16:40 GMT+04:00 P= ierre Abbat <ph..= .@bezitopo.org>:
On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 21:50:35 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> Usage shows that {lo selsa'a} means "song" rather than "words/music of=
> song".
>
> Now how to say
> "voice of a song"
> "music of a song"
> "words of the song X"
> "I sang the phrase Y from the song X"
> "I sang the song X"?

For "words of a song" I'd say "vlapoi pe lo selsa'a", so I'd sa= y "togypoi" for
"melody". There's also "vlamei"; "togmei" could be useful when the music is= n't
a single sequence but consists of voices.

The voices are tcesutsli, mlisutsli, mlisnosli, and tcesnosli, but I don't<= br> know what the word for "voice" in this sense is. These words can also denot= e
completely different frequency ranges when talking about radio.

"phrase" could be "selsa'aspi".

Pierre
--
.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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