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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Does {mi te benji ko'a} imply {mi cpacu ko'a}?
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2014-12-12 23:13 GMT+03:00 <ravas@outlook.com>:
>
>
> I think both versions (with and without implying a successful receipt)
>> are useful, but if one must be chosen, not implying a successful receipt
>> allows for more flexibility, although requires more verbosity when the
>> speaker does want to say that the receiving was successful (e.g. {mi
>> benji ko'e fo'o .i je fo'o cpacu ko'e}).
>>
>
>
> I'm not confident, but maybe we can use [be'i] to avoid repeating [fo'o]
> and [ko'e].
>
> {fo'o cpacu ko'e be'i mi}
> X obtains Y sent by me
>

fo'o cpacu ko'e ne be'i mi

{fo'o cpacu ko'e be'i mi}  can mean "fo'o being sent by me obtains ko'e"

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