Received: from mail-la0-f55.google.com ([209.85.215.55]:55259) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Wi1-0007g7-4N for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:33:15 -0800 Received: by mail-la0-f55.google.com with SMTP id q1sf974752lam.20 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:33:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=kXWniRtsZbaqwrsodT23ixGmCzAU6iNS3lvhW+G1mbI=; b=HMG67/V33KT17AKqxR8mIA419Eu0Pr8XXplf64AhZFCW1iZrHQ7p/vez4ZPbT/RQ9a Ps12Drw/z+u2DJZkWOYfe+GPG/oZu+WQOqU/te/Opiaiywe7pzW9XduD+Nac+HrYatB3 HeE1alics4R8z12WYPfi68S8bD2nySKifFDHfkq9+raRRjomCDHwERPh+pdbhRo29yi8 ugjgDIkPBNQuVumrlSlZdbjzKAqEcYVSahY34gpxa1Aug9lS0PkHYJOrcWaVZBtN07H2 u+3Zsb4LWpBsN+8INZAVyV5gkG+eiVB2pmydwZozAKmbYbscXhiTBL60Qs7SyU0QtFq4 09Vw== X-Received: by 10.152.2.8 with SMTP id 8mr595696laq.2.1418653986145; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:33:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.7.100 with SMTP id i4ls561445laa.106.gmail; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:33:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.32.163 with SMTP id k3mr91129lbi.17.1418653983813; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x231.google.com (mail-wg0-x231.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c00::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j6si583499wix.1.2014.12.15.06.33.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::231; Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id n12so14646456wgh.8 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:33:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.157.4 with SMTP id wi4mr37758290wjb.54.1418653983702; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (95-210-209-168.ip.skylogicnet.com. [95.210.209.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gl5sm13359740wib.0.2014.12.15.06.33.00 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:33:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <548EF10E.5030802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:32:46 +0100 From: Ilmen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Give us a moment, please. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Original-Sender: ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 1145 On 15/12/2014 05:58, ravas wrote: > Curiously > camxes.lojban.org/ (awesome) > claims this is not grammatically correct. > Yet it has no problem with: > {e'o mi'a ze'i djica lo nu sivni tavla} > > Is {sivtavla} incorrect? Or have I discovered a bug? Lojban's morphophonology disallows a voiced stop/fricative consonant to be adjacent to a voiceless consonant. The -y- hyphen is required between siv- and -tavla in order to prevent the formation of the -vt- cluster, which is an illegal cluster (two stop/fricative consonants differing in voiceness are next to each other). As a result, the correct lujvo form is {sivytavla}, or better, {sivyta'a} (-ta'a- is a rafsi of {tavla}). mu'o mi'e la .ilmen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.