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[95.210.209.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 18sm14543507wjr.46.2014.12.15.14.09.29 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:09:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <548F5C14.9030105@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 23:09:24 +0100 From: Ilmen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Give us a moment, please. References: <548EF751.5010501@gmail.com> <1c811ac2-80c8-493e-b5bc-3e031a7fd3c5@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1c811ac2-80c8-493e-b5bc-3e031a7fd3c5@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 1555 On 15/12/2014 22:07, ravas wrote: > How is {ko tu'a mi ze'i denpa} translated? > > {.e'o do ze'i xrukla vi} was my attempt at:" I request that you return=20 > here after a short time span." > Does [vi] not work as [here]? {ko tu'a mi ze'i denpa} =3D =C2=AB[imperative] you, wait for me for a short= time!=C2=BB. {tu'a mi} =E2=89=88 "an event in which I'm involved" (more naturally transl= ated=20 as "about me" or simply "me"). As for =C2=ABI request that you return here after a short time span=C2=BB, = this=20 would translate to {.e'o xrukla mi'a ba zi}, or {.e'o ba zi xrukla lo vi=20 stuzi}. {vi X} means that the event described by the bridi happens at a short=20 distance (specified by X) from the reference location (probably the=20 speaker). For example, {lo mlatu cu sipna vi} means "the event of [the cat is=20 sleeping] takes place nearby". {ko vi xrukla} just means that you request that the event of the=20 addressee going back [to some unspecified place] happens nearby, which=20 isn't really the same thing as requesting that he/she goes back *to you*. .a'o mi sidju mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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