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  Neither of selvro/tervro or tercripu/velcripu is a "destination" that's
why it doesn't say "to x2 from x3" and why cripu also says "unordered".
The order isn't important.  The sumti in those places are interchangeable,
just like the sumti for "du", "mintu", "dunli", etc....

             --gejyspa


On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com
> wrote:

> {cripu} = x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [unordered,
> typically destination first]. See also bargu, kruca, ragve, kuspe.
>
> What is destination? The direction of the road traffic on the bridge or
> the direction the bridge was built in?
>
> Imagine:
> {puente} = x1 is a bridge/span over/across points x2 (plural, use {jo'u}).
> See also bargu, kruca, ragve, kuspe.
>
> Sometimes bridges can span over more than two points (a more rare case but
> still stands).
> It looks like {cripu} is describing a more rare case than "bridge" in
> general.
>
> A similar question for {vorme3} vs. {vorme4}. Why not merging them into
> one "plural" place?
>
> Yet another question is about mosra2 and mosra3. It sounds like mosra3 is
> immobilized and mosra2 is rubbing against it.
> But here {simxu lo ka ce' ce'u te mosra} would solve the problem.
> The same for tavla1/tavla2 (and not casnu1) where the relation isn't equal.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Neither of selvro/tervro or tercripu/velcripu is a =
&quot;destination&quot; that&#39;s why it doesn&#39;t say &quot;to x2 from =
x3&quot; and why cripu also says &quot;unordered&quot;.=C2=A0 The order isn=
&#39;t important.=C2=A0 The sumti in those places are interchangeable, just=
 like the sumti for &quot;du&quot;, &quot;mintu&quot;, &quot;dunli&quot;, e=
tc....<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-=
-gejyspa</div><div><br><div><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Gleki Ar=
xokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>{cripu} =3D x1 is a bridge/=
span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [unordered, typically destination fir=
st]. See also bargu, kruca, ragve, kuspe.</div><div><br></div><div>What is =
destination? The direction of the road traffic on the bridge or the directi=
on the bridge was built in?</div><div><br></div><div>Imagine:</div><div><di=
v>{puente} =3D x1 is a bridge/span over/across points x2 (plural, use {jo&#=
39;u}). See also bargu, kruca, ragve, kuspe.</div></div><div><br></div><div=
>Sometimes bridges can span over more than two points (a more rare case but=
 still stands).</div><div>It looks like {cripu} is describing a more rare c=
ase than &quot;bridge&quot; in general.</div><div><br></div><div>A similar =
question for {vorme3} vs. {vorme4}. Why not merging them into one &quot;plu=
ral&quot; place?</div><div><br></div><div>Yet another question is about mos=
ra2 and mosra3. It sounds like mosra3 is immobilized and mosra2 is rubbing =
against it.=C2=A0</div><div>But here {simxu lo ka ce&#39; ce&#39;u te mosra=
} would solve the problem.</div><div>The same for tavla1/tavla2 (and not ca=
snu1) where the relation isn&#39;t equal.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=
=3D"#888888"><br></font></span></div></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font col=
or=3D"#888888">

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