Received: from mail-yk0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:53019) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1axg-0000jL-70 for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:17:49 -0800 Received: by mail-yk0-f189.google.com with SMTP id 200sf144575ykr.26 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:17:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=PtWko3B6QnwOM3b9nm3/NuKV/PnHsPr1OmEgZNjFT88=; b=N3utwS3inCyTq+LPyb9EmJybwzsPhbNAu22HJ950cDuD2OhJoQrK0IVTIB+f3bOo3P e/xQLIzAPXMvARXMTIp5mMqa099bFDr3AHObcjgP/10ivZzaeWWMmG6hkw35YuRxyMTY UjLniy+YIf2aIwmSjvVgwKuZDAXxUTEBFF3IVMkiMGfpVb9bSDf2NcJYFeCV3C+vIVjo YbIkWC6+sBQf5oIm388mZsrvZWtls1UepPsnBwRILzK9B43d42NMqVXxiJDjLovGhJen N3CgLrGPiOvy6fD7dwgNWocI1N0w+chfMfbYuxrvIdm4sasiw3p9PKCTQ814Of0a5HpK w99Q== X-Received: by 10.50.132.71 with SMTP id os7mr272029igb.11.1418908662189; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:17:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.161.75 with SMTP id k72ls457042ioe.24.gmail; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:17:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.68.65.70 with SMTP id v6mr1557296pbs.1.1418908661404; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.226]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id tv3si931055pbc.1.2014.12.18.05.17.40 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.226; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:50425] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id D7/93-24698-4F3D2945; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:17:40 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0BE5428 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:17:39 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] defining a set Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:17:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3651881.YGNPRj2BVu@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-43-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 1314 On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 23:19:06 ravas wrote: > *linji* > > x1 is a line/among lines (1-dimensional shape/form) defined by set of > points x2. > > ---- > > How do we define a set? > > la ky. linji la .abu. .e la .ebu. > > Is this correct? {la .ky. linji} means "K's Line", as a name. I think you mean {ky. linji .abu. e .ebu}. {ky. linji .abu. ce .ebu} is correct, if A and E are points. {ky. linji .abu. e .ebu} implies that A and E are (possibly different) sets of points, each of which defines the line K. > Can we define the set prior to using linji? > > la .abu. .e la .ebu. cmima da goi ko'a > .i la ky. linji ko'a > > Is this correct? Again drop {la}. There are infinitely many sets that contain A and E (and other things), some of which do not define lines, so no. Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.