Received: from mail-wi0-f184.google.com ([209.85.212.184]:49801) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4vlQ-0004UN-71 for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:06:57 -0800 Received: by mail-wi0-f184.google.com with SMTP id ho1sf1137460wib.11 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:06:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=m1XpymldTajhrEKTsbYw5sdHxyAuEKLnWFeQiR1WyJw=; b=Ep+w+T9NugVxq3F20koEnA1gcE5+50c7j47II5Wnm6O1pU1MxnnQ12JD673wUi/NDz tGXcWXxNXJ4tL6L0vFnZ0OQmswpdBxqlrBSkM2VaIHOT4TZVdAV2hwdKEx2GLPdVZMbZ FfXjDdGE3Msh8IFsiZ+diDkau1pMQqrifcmyVngTEthh+8hXixWu87DTFZ0bDzdNo8Hk lOBhXfDpzhWA47PFsuS58BSdVjlHJtCD0U7XxRB4r5fQJOf1We/lwXnGxHBsn8I7bucw 4e11M1KvE2CqPmnMXmzQU82BIE/K38+f5Eziv4bjwsm7mGJoaZjGPwJ6YB6H3VHLHIgb aDCA== X-Received: by 10.180.108.13 with SMTP id hg13mr244499wib.0.1419703609613; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:06:49 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.38.6 with SMTP id c6ls779770wik.53.canary; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:06:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.82.34 with SMTP id f2mr4979025wiy.1.1419703608593; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-x231.google.com (mail-wi0-x231.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu2si57464wib.2.2014.12.27.10.06.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::231; Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id l15so19022328wiw.4 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:06:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.181.28.165 with SMTP id jp5mr80215219wid.76.1419703608495; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.204.139 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:06:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <549EF0F6.1080103@gmx.de> References: <6d4ce845-f808-4c1a-8bc2-4c4507ba3f78@googlegroups.com> <549EF0F6.1080103@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:06:48 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] What type of food do you want to eat? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1137eac4455634050b3681db X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 3448 --001a1137eac4455634050b3681db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 2:48 PM, selpa'i wrote: > la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e > >> I think "lo mo cidja" works better. Or "lo klesi be lo cidja bei ma". >> > > Or similarly, {ma poi klesi lo cidja}, which is what I would usually say. > I always have doubts about that use of "poi" because it involves a kind of metalinguistic restriction rather than an ordinary restrictive clause. It restricts the set of possible answers, but the straightforward application of the poi and ma rules should be that "ma" is asking for a sumti which, when restricted by the poi-clause, fits the argument place. So I would prefer "ma noi" here. Similarly with demonstratives "ti poi", etc. " mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a1137eac4455634050b3681db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 2:48 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e
I think "lo mo cidja" works better. Or "lo klesi be lo cidja= bei ma".

Or similarly, {ma poi klesi lo cidja}, which is what I would usually say.

I always have doubts about that use of &= quot;poi" because it involves a kind of metalinguistic restriction rat= her than an ordinary restrictive clause. It restricts the set of possible a= nswers, but the straightforward application of the poi and ma rules should = be that "ma" is asking for a sumti which, when restricted by the = poi-clause, fits the argument place. So I would prefer "ma noi" h= ere. Similarly with demonstratives "ti poi", etc. "
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