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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] What type of food do you want to eat?
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On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 3:23 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

>
> With {ti poi} I would agree that it's off, but if we were to rewrite {do
> djica tu'a ma poi klesi lo cidja} as {ma klesi lo cidja gi'e poi'i do djica
> tu'a ke'a} ("What is a kind of food and is such that you want [to eat]
> it?"), it seems to have the right semantics.
>

I agree that the expansion gives the right semantics, but is it the right
expansion for "poi"?

(1)   lo cukta poi mi nau tcidu ke'a cu cinri

(2)   lo cukta cu nau se tcudu mi gi'e cinri

In (1) "lo cukta" can have as referents many books which I'm not now
reading, in (2) it can only have as referents the book(s) that I'm now
reading.


> Is {ma} not much closer to {da} than it is to something like {ti}? The
> weird (but often useful) thing about {ma} is that it always has highest
> scope, so it should be able to parallel {da} (as in {su'o da poi broda cu
> brode} -> {su'o da broda gi'e brode}.


I think "ma" is closer to "lo co'e" than to "su'o da", since it doesn't
really ask for anything that will make the bridi true, but for *the*
(relevant) things that will make it true.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 3:23 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><br></span>
With {ti poi} I would agree that it&#39;s off, but if we were to rewrite {d=
o djica tu&#39;a ma poi klesi lo cidja} as {ma klesi lo cidja gi&#39;e poi&=
#39;i do djica tu&#39;a ke&#39;a} (&quot;What is a kind of food and is such=
 that you want [to eat] it?&quot;), it seems to have the right semantics.<b=
r></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree that the expansion gives the rig=
ht semantics, but is it the right expansion for &quot;poi&quot;?=C2=A0</div=
><div><br></div><div>(1) =C2=A0 lo cukta poi mi nau tcidu ke&#39;a cu cinri=
</div><div><br></div><div>(2) =C2=A0 lo cukta cu nau se tcudu mi gi&#39;e c=
inri</div><div><br></div><div>In (1) &quot;lo cukta&quot; can have as refer=
ents many books which I&#39;m not now reading, in (2) it can only have as r=
eferents the book(s) that I&#39;m now reading.</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Is {ma} not much closer to {da} than it is to something like {ti}? The weir=
d (but often useful) thing about {ma} is that it always has highest scope, =
so it should be able to parallel {da} (as in {su&#39;o da poi broda cu brod=
e} -&gt; {su&#39;o da broda gi&#39;e brode}.</blockquote><div><br></div><di=
v>I think &quot;ma&quot; is closer to &quot;lo co&#39;e&quot; than to &quot=
;su&#39;o da&quot;, since it doesn&#39;t really ask for anything that will =
make the bridi true, but for *the* (relevant) things that will make it true=
.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></d=
iv></div></div>

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