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Do you have a pencil (on you)? (I might need to borrow one) >> >> Lo do terci'a vi xu zasti? >> > > xu do vi ralte lo pinsi > > >> 2. Do you have a car (with you today)? >> >> Xu vi karce do? >> > > xu do se kansa lo karce ca lo cabdei > > >> >> 3. Do you have my book (in your possession)? (I don't see it on the >> table where I left it.) >> >> Xu do vi ponse lo mi cukta? >> > > {ponse} is for legal possession. Usually {ralte} is again better in such > situations. > > >> 4. Do you have a house or an apartment? >> >> Do ge'i se zdadi'u gi kumyzda? >> > > {xu do ponse lo dinju} = Do you own a house? > lo kumyzda - apartment > > As for attempts to fill in certain places they have their usage too: > xu do se zdani lo barda kumyzda > zu do se kumyzda lo barda > = Do you live in a big apartment? > > Of course, I translated your examples without trying to rework your own > translations. > lo se klani be lo se jinvi so'iroi zmadu lo se klani be lo jinvi > > ki'e do sidju mi. 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Do you have a pencil (on you)? (I might need to borrow one) >> >> Lo do terci'a vi xu zasti? >> > > xu do vi ralte lo pinsi > > >> 2. Do you have a car (with you today)? >> >> Xu vi karce do? >> > > xu do se kansa lo karce ca lo cabdei > > >> >> 3. Do you have my book (in your possession)? (I don't see it on the >> table where I left it.) >> >> Xu do vi ponse lo mi cukta? >> > > {ponse} is for legal possession. Usually {ralte} is again better in such > situations. > > >> 4. Do you have a house or an apartment? >> >> Do ge'i se zdadi'u gi kumyzda? >> > > {xu do ponse lo dinju} = Do you own a house? > lo kumyzda - apartment > > As for attempts to fill in certain places they have their usage too: > xu do se zdani lo barda kumyzda > zu do se kumyzda lo barda > = Do you live in a big apartment? > > Of course, I translated your examples without trying to rework your own > translations. > lo se klani be lo se jinvi so'iroi zmadu lo se klani be lo jinvi > > ki'e do sidju mi. 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On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 1:15:34 AM UTC-5, l= a gleki wrote:


2015-01-25 7:29 GMT+03:00 volcpita= r <ap...@comcast.net>:
G= iven what is said above how would you best say the following?:

1.&nb= sp; Do you have a pencil (on  you)?  (I might need to borrow one)=

Lo do terci'a vi xu zasti?

xu do vi ralte lo pinsi


2.  Do you have a car (with you today)?

Xu vi karce d= o?

xu do se kansa lo karce ca lo = cabdei
 

3.  Do you= have my book (in your possession)?  (I don't see it on the table wher= e I left it.)

Xu do vi ponse lo mi cukta?

{ponse} is for legal possession. Usually {ralte} is again b= etter in such situations.


4.  Do you have a house or an apartment?

Do ge'i se zd= adi'u gi kumyzda?

{xu do ponse lo din= ju} =3D Do you own a house?
lo kumyzda - apartment

=
As for attempts to fill in certain places they have their usage = too:
xu do se zdani lo barda kumyzda
zu do se kumyzda l= o barda
 =3D Do you live in a big apartment?

<= /div>
Of course, I translated your examples without trying to rework yo= ur own translations. 
lo se klani be lo se jinvi so'iroi zma= du lo se klani be lo jinvi
 
ki'e do sidju mi.  (Thanks for helpi= ng).  I hadn't realized that "ralte" had this meaning.


By t= he way, is there any appreciable difference in meaning between:


= xu do ralte lo zdani?

and

xu do se zdani da?
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