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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: On Monday, January 12, 2015 05:38:19 Erik Natanael Gustafsson wrote: > Can you sing on the buffer vowels though? From what I've read about them, > they are to be as short as possible. Would it be good Lojban to treat them > as syllables if you make sure the real syllables are even longer? [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in googlegroups.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. IN] [A] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [209.85.160.186 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 T_HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders Content-Length: 1323 On Monday, January 12, 2015 05:38:19 Erik Natanael Gustafsson wrote: > Can you sing on the buffer vowels though? From what I've read about them, > they are to be as short as possible. Would it be good Lojban to treat the= m > as syllables if you make sure the real syllables are even longer? The buffer vowel is not a phoneme; it's a vowel stuck between two consonant= s by=20 people who have trouble pronouncing them together. It normally doesn't make= =20 sense to sing it as a syllable. Occasionally one might do so in some style = of=20 music. I know of a song in Spanish where the word "precioso" is sung as fou= r=20 syllables; it's much more common in Spanish to sing two vowels to one note= =20 which would be separate syllables in speech. Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.