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On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:45 PM, MorphemeAddict <<= a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com= > wrote:
Is legal possession (ponse) the= same thing as ownership?=C2=A0

It depends on the legal system, but generally they are not the same thing:= ownership is a right whereas possession is a fact. If you rent a house, yo= u get possession but not ownership of the house. If you lose your wedding r= ing, you lose its possession, but not its ownership (at least for a while).= If you buy an apartment in a building still under construction, you may ge= t ownership before you get possession. The way "ponse" is defined= , BTW, is closer to ownership than to possession.

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