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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Here is the definition I have. Maybe it's obsolete now. x1 is a train [vehicle] of cars/units x2 (mass) for rails/system/railroad x3, propelled by x4. [a railed vehicle or train of vehicles; also subway (tu'unre'e), metro, trolley, tramway (= lajre'e), roller coaster; monorail (= dadre'e); cable car, sky car, ski lift (= cildadre'e)] [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in googlegroups.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. 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Maybe it's obsolete now. x1 is a train [vehicle] of cars/units x2 (mass) for rails/system/railroad x3, propelled by x4. [a railed vehicle or train of vehicles; also subway (tu'unre'e), metro, trolley, tramway (= lajre'e), roller coaster; monorail (= dadre'e); cable car, sky car, ski lift (= cildadre'e)] It seems pretty clear to me that it's talking only about railed transport systems and not caravans or animals. stevo On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > On 2/4/2015 5:50 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Gleki Arxokuna >> > wrote: >> >> What if a train moves from one railroad to another one? >> > > It doesn't/cannot. It may move from one set of tracks to another, but it > remains part of the same rail system. > > The generic English definition closest to x1 of trene is: > "a succession of vehicles or pack animals traveling in the same direction" > > If one goes to a generic train, such as a caravan, there may be no > iron-tracks at all. The caravan may travel on a highway system, or perhaps > it is camels traveling on the x3 "The Silk Road" (from the Middle East to > China) > > It becomes a trene fi a different railroad. >> >> All places of any given brivla must be inherent and inseparable. How >> can trene3 be inherent if usually train cars are constructed and >> trains can be assembled without having any particular railroad in >> mind? >> > > Rail train cars may be owned by several organizations, but the railroad is > operated by a single one, which assembles those cars into a train. > > lojbab > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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Here is the definition I have. Maybe it's obso= lete now.=C2=A0
x1 is a train [vehicle] of cars/units x2 (mass) for rail= s/system/railroad x3, propelled by x4.=C2=A0
[a railed vehicle or= train of vehicles; also subway (tu'unre'e), metro, trolley, tramwa= y (=3D lajre'e), roller coaster; monorail (=3D dadre'e); cable car,= sky car, ski lift (=3D cildadre'e)]

It se= ems pretty clear to me that it's talking only about railed transport sy= stems and not caravans or animals.=C2=A0

stevo

On= Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
On 2/4/2015= 5:50 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
 <gleki.i= s.my.name@gmail.com <mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>> wrote= :

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 What if a train moves from one railroad to another one?

It doesn't/cannot.=C2=A0 It may move from one set of tracks to another,= but it remains part of the same rail system.

The generic English definition closest to x1 of trene is:
"a succession of vehicles or pack animals traveling in the same direct= ion"

If one goes to a generic train, such as a caravan, there may be no iron-tra= cks at all.=C2=A0 The caravan may travel on a highway system, or perhaps it= is camels traveling on the x3 "The Silk Road" (from the Middle E= ast to China)

It becomes a trene fi a different railroad.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 All places of any given brivla must be inherent and inseparab= le. How
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 can trene3 be inherent if usually train cars are constructed = and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 trains can be assembled without having any particular railroa= d in mind?

 Rail train cars may be owned by several organizations, but the railroad is = operated by a single one, which assembles those cars into a train.

lojbab




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