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 Content preview:  On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:42 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
    wrote: > By looking at {lacri} I can see that it both means "to rely/to depend
    on" > and "to count on/trust". > > Isn't the first pair is what is fancu
   (2) and the second one is something > like {krici/kanpe}? > > lo se vecnu
   cu lacri lo ni se se sabji jo'u lo ni sy se cpedu vau lo ka se > jdima > [...]
    
 
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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:42 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

> By looking at {lacri} I can see that it both means "to rely/to depend on"
>  and "to count on/trust".
>
> Isn't the first pair is what is fancu (2) and the second one is something
> like {krici/kanpe}?
>
> lo se vecnu cu lacri lo ni se se sabji jo'u lo ni sy se cpedu vau lo ka se
> jdima
>

  No.  They all the mean the same thing (or shades thereof):
"I know I can rely on gleki to ask questions about the gimste"
"I know I can depend on gleki  to ask questions about the gimste"
"I know I can count on gleki to ask questions about the gimste"
"I know I can trust gleki to ask questions about the gimste"


  Other shades of the meaning of the English word "depend" (or "rely on")
could indeed be fancu in the realm of mathematics (the value of x depends
on y), but less formulaic versions of dependency might be expressed by
panra  (the price of bread depends on the price of wheat) or nitcu (man
depends on water to live)

       --gejyspa

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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:42 AM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
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g at {lacri} I can see that it both means &quot;to rely/to depend on&quot; =
=C2=A0and &quot;to count on/trust&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>Isn&#39;t=
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r>=C2=A0 No.=C2=A0 They all the mean the same thing (or shades thereof):</d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra">&quot;I know I can rely on gleki to ask quest=
ions about the gimste&quot;</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">&quot;I know I =
can depend on gleki =C2=A0to ask questions about the gimste&quot;</div><div=
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bout the gimste&quot;</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">&quot;I know I can tr=
ust gleki to ask questions about the gimste&quot;</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra">=C2=A0 Other shades of the meaning of the English word &quot;depend=
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matics (the value of x depends on y), but less formulaic versions of depend=
ency might be expressed by panra =C2=A0(the price of bread depends on the p=
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mail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
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