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Given my limited understanding of "truth functions" it seems like ge-gi=20 (TFFF) is clearer.=20 Isn't the first row the only thing we want to result in True? Something else I don't understand: *"Since GA cmavo precede the first bridi, a following =E2=80=9Cnai=E2=80=9D= negates the=20 first bridi instead."* Why are we negating anything? Aren't we trying to assert both bridi are true? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_2919_591399584.1422913200593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Perhaps the most import= ant of the truth functions commonly expressed in forethought is TFTT, which= can be paraphrased as =E2=80=9Cif ... then ... =E2=80=9D
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8.3)   ro da zo'u ganai da klama le zarci gi cadzu le foldi
&= nbsp;      For-every X: if X is-a-goer-to the stor= e then X is-a-walker-on the field.

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Why is ganai-gi (TFTT) the preferred gek-gik st= ructure for "if...then..."?
Given my limited understanding of "truth fun= ctions" it seems like ge-gi (TFFF) is clearer.
Isn't the first row the = only thing we want to result in True?


Something else I don't understand:

"= Since GA cmavo precede the first bridi, a following =E2=80=9Cnai=E2=80=9D n= egates the first bridi instead."

Why are we negating anything?
Aren't we trying to asse= rt both bridi are true?

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