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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g3si79184igr.2.2015.03.31.19.55.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Tsff2lnh c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=yNlo66i4vtYA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=emO1SXQWCLwA:10 a=ISJgrlqZAAAA:8 a=W5p_VFXKwYKCplFPuwYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=GyChumwFdrUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:41976] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id E5/F6-05740-32E5B155; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 22:55:31 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F391F67 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 22:55:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Pronunciation of "o" Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 22:55:26 -0400 Message-ID: <2039125.YfFB1bVLHu@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-46-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <1427716991889.33634@connect.qut.edu.au> References: <1427716991889.33634@connect.qut.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 1871 On Monday, March 30, 2015 12:03:02 Timothy Lawrence wrote: > How is the letter "o" pronounced in Lojban? Is it the monophthong "o", as= in > English "on"? Is = it the > diphthong "ow", as in English > "own"? (It's har= d to > describe sounds in writing so I linked to spoken audio samples) Those to me sound like /=C9=94n/, which is not a word in my dialect of Engl= ish, and=20 /on/, which is , but in my pronunciation usually realized as [o=CA=8An= ] or=20 [oun]. Both [=C9=94n] and [on] are Lojban to me, but [o=CA=8An] and [o= un] are not=20 valid Lojban. I pronounce English as /=C9=91n/ (not /=C9=92n/, which i= s , the=20 long straight projection with backward tiny teeth sticking out of some cere= al=20 grains). I prefer to explain Lojban vowels in terms of Spanish ones, since few accen= ts=20 in Spanish vary the vowels much. The Lojban /a/,/e/,/i/,/o/,/u/ are the sam= e=20 as in Spanish. The /=C9=99/ doesn't exist in Spanish, but does exist in= French=20 and English. > Thus I've been presuming "o" in Lojban would be pronounced as in English > "on" and thus "ou" would be the Lojbanic diphthong to represent "ow" as i= n > English "own". Is this correct? Lojban has the diphthong "ei", but not "ou". Pierre --=20 Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.