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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p4si602354wiz.0.2015.03.30.05.54.14 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Mar 2015 05:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::229; Received: by mail-wg0-x229.google.com with SMTP id dm7so67086941wgb.1 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 05:54:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.75.243 with SMTP id f19mr22200167wiw.94.1427720054487; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 05:54:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.240.197 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 05:53:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1427716991889.33634@connect.qut.edu.au> References: <1427716991889.33634@connect.qut.edu.au> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 15:53:54 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Pronunciation of "o" To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0438951bafc0aa051280fa3d X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 6868 --f46d0438951bafc0aa051280fa3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 You are right. Maybe this will also help you: http://mw.lojban.org/images/b/b1/Lojban_interactive.swf 2015-03-30 15:03 GMT+03:00 Timothy Lawrence < timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au>: > How is the letter "o" pronounced in Lojban? Is it the monophthong "o", > as in English "on "? > Is it the diphthong "ow", as in English "own > "? (It's hard to > describe sounds in writing so I linked to spoken audio samples) > > I ask because the pronunciation guide of the "Level 0 Booklet" seems to be > indicating it is the latter, based on how I think "joke" and "note" are > pronounced: http://lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure-utf/phonol.html > However, from the same page: "Lojban has diphthongs as well, but these are > always represented by the two vowels that combine to form them." > > I presumed the intent behind Lojban's phonetic spelling was that each > letter represents a pure vowel sound and I noted that the pronunciation of > "Lojban" on its Wiki article seems to indicate the pronunciation might be > the former monophthong: > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Jbo-lojban.ogg > > Thus I've been presuming "o" in Lojban would be pronounced as in English > "on" and thus "ou" would be the Lojbanic diphthong to represent "ow" as in > English "own". 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You are right. Maybe this will also help you:

2015-03-30 15:03 GMT+03:00 Timo= thy Lawrence <timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au>= ;:
How is the letter "o" pronounced in Lojban? Is it the monophthong= "o", as in English "on"? Is it the d= iphthong "ow", as in English "own"? (It's hard to describe sounds in writing so I linked to spoken audio s= amples)

I ask because the pronunciation guide of the "Level=C2=A00 Booklet&quo= t; seems to be indicating it is the latter, based on how I think "joke= " and "note" are pronounced: http://lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure-utf/phonol.html
However, from the same page: "Lojban has diphthongs as well, but these= are always represented by the two vowels that combine to form them."<= br>
I presumed the intent behind Lojban's phonetic spelling was that each l= etter represents a pure vowel sound and I noted that the pronunciation of &= quot;Lojban" on its Wiki article seems to indicate the pronunciation m= ight be the former monophthong: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Jbo-lojban.ogg=C2=A0=

Thus I've been presuming "o" in Lojban would be pronounced as= in English "on" and thus "ou" would be the Lojbanic di= phthong to represent "ow" as in English "own". Is this = correct?

Thanks,

Timothy

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