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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a14si328434wib.3.2015.03.30.06.51.03 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e; Received: by mail-wg0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id dm7so69325100wgb.1 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:51:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.195.11.161 with SMTP id ej1mr62393606wjd.47.1427723463293; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.62.9 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:51:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1427716991889.33634@connect.qut.edu.au> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 09:51:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Pronunciation of "o" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb70912de0714051281c5a6 X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 10495 --047d7bb70912de0714051281c5a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Timothy, I understand you are Australian. if the link you provided is indeed how you pronounce "on", then it will probably be confused with the lojban "a". It's closer to how that same website pronounces "north". It should be basically be around either here : or here or in-between (always rounded lips) whereas a hangs around either here or here or in-between always with lips unrounded. --gejyspa On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > You are right. Maybe this will also help you: > http://mw.lojban.org/images/b/b1/Lojban_interactive.swf > > 2015-03-30 15:03 GMT+03:00 Timothy Lawrence < > timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au>: > >> How is the letter "o" pronounced in Lojban? Is it the monophthong "o", >> as in English "on "? >> Is it the diphthong "ow", as in English "own >> "? (It's hard to >> describe sounds in writing so I linked to spoken audio samples) >> >> I ask because the pronunciation guide of the "Level 0 Booklet" seems to >> be indicating it is the latter, based on how I think "joke" and "note" are >> pronounced: >> http://lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure-utf/phonol.html >> However, from the same page: "Lojban has diphthongs as well, but these >> are always represented by the two vowels that combine to form them." >> >> I presumed the intent behind Lojban's phonetic spelling was that each >> letter represents a pure vowel sound and I noted that the pronunciation of >> "Lojban" on its Wiki article seems to indicate the pronunciation might be >> the former monophthong: >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Jbo-lojban.ogg >> >> Thus I've been presuming "o" in Lojban would be pronounced as in English >> "on" and thus "ou" would be the Lojbanic diphthong to represent "ow" as in >> English "own". 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Timothy, I understand you are Australian. =C2=A0if the lin= k you provided is indeed how you pronounce "on", then it will pro= bably be confused with the lojban "a".=C2=A0 It's closer to h= ow that same website pronounces "north".=C2=A0 It should be basic= ally be around either here: or here=C2=A0or in-between=C2=A0(always rounded lips= ) whereas a hangs around either here=C2=A0or here=C2=A0or in-between=C2=A0always= with lips unrounded.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa


On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Gleki Arx= okuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
You are right. Maybe this will al= so help you:

2015-03-30 15:03 GMT+03:= 00 Timothy Lawrence <timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au= >:
How is the letter "o" pronounced in Lojban? Is it the monophthong= "o", as in English "on"? Is it the d= iphthong "ow", as in English "own"? (It's hard to describe sounds in writing so I linked to spoken audio s= amples)

I ask because the pronunciation guide of the "Level=C2=A00 Booklet&quo= t; seems to be indicating it is the latter, based on how I think "joke= " and "note" are pronounced: http://lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure-utf/phonol.html
However, from the same page: "Lojban has diphthongs as well, but these= are always represented by the two vowels that combine to form them."<= br>
I presumed the intent behind Lojban's phonetic spelling was that each l= etter represents a pure vowel sound and I noted that the pronunciation of &= quot;Lojban" on its Wiki article seems to indicate the pronunciation m= ight be the former monophthong: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Jbo-lojban.ogg=C2=A0=

Thus I've been presuming "o" in Lojban would be pronounced as= in English "on" and thus "ou" would be the Lojbanic di= phthong to represent "ow" as in English "own". Is this = correct?

Thanks,

Timothy

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