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From: Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 02:29:10 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] What actually are the rules of word formation?
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I feel like it should be noted that while it's useful to understand this
exact algorithm, processing that entire algorithm afresh is of course not
how words are produced or understood at conversational speed in normal
sentences. The way the rules are enacted at speed is (as with many things
in language) through broad fast pattern recognition. The rules produce
numerous patterns, each of which gradually become increasingly familiar and
then obvious and then reflexive.

For instance one of the particular patterns implied by the full set of
rules is that you can put together any two CCV rafsi to make a CCVCCV lujvo
like {brivla}. Without understanding all of the implications and edge cases
of the whole set of rules you can simply take this example and start
producing that shape of lujvo with whatever CCV rafsi you know. How about
CVV and CV'V rafsi then? Those work there too, CCVCV'V, CCVCVV, CVVCCV,
CV'VCCV, all good, the only complication is with CVV + CVV you'll need an
-r- hyphen (or very occasionally an -n-), which makes sense if you compare
with how CVV CVV is two cmavo. Knowing a few shapes like that makes a
zillion combinations you can make, you can start making lujvo all day long,
and then when you learn which CCC are ok you can feel confident making
CVCCCV or CVCyCCV shaped lujvo too, etc.

Similarly you don't need to know every zi'evla shape in the universe to
start making zi'evla. Every word you know is an example of which forms are
allowed. If you learn the word {sorpeka} (bus) then you've also learned
that you can make any word of that shape, like IDK, {bamnosa} or {morpuki}.
I don't need to compare {morpuki} to some complicated algorithm-- I can
compare it to {sorpeka} and see that it's the same shape so it's allowed
and it's in that category.

The algorithms are just a clear collectively understood way of thinking
about unusual or unused forms, unexplored edge cases. The normal way you
speak Lojban is by knowing words and their categories and making other
words shaped the same shapes as the words you already know. It's generally
pretty easy and fun!

mu'o mi'e la stela selckiku

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>I feel like it should be noted that wh=
ile it&#39;s useful to understand this exact algorithm, processing that ent=
ire algorithm afresh is of course not how words are produced or understood =
at conversational speed in normal sentences. The way the rules are enacted =
at speed is (as with many things in language) through broad fast pattern re=
cognition. The rules produce numerous patterns, each of which gradually bec=
ome increasingly familiar and then obvious and then reflexive. <br><br></di=
v>For instance one of the particular patterns implied by the full set of ru=
les is that you can put together any two CCV rafsi to make a CCVCCV lujvo l=
ike {brivla}. Without understanding all of the implications and edge cases =
of the whole set of rules you can simply take this example and start produc=
ing that shape of lujvo with whatever CCV rafsi you know. How about CVV and=
 CV&#39;V rafsi then? Those work there too, CCVCV&#39;V, CCVCVV, CVVCCV, CV=
&#39;VCCV, all good, the only complication is with CVV + CVV you&#39;ll nee=
d an -r- hyphen (or very occasionally an -n-), which makes sense if you com=
pare with how CVV CVV is two cmavo. Knowing a few shapes like that makes a =
zillion combinations you can make, you can start making lujvo all day long,=
 and then when you learn which CCC are ok you can feel confident making CVC=
CCV or CVCyCCV shaped lujvo too, etc. <br><br></div>Similarly you don&#39;t=
 need to know every zi&#39;evla shape in the universe to start making zi=
9;evla. Every word you know is an example of which forms are allowed. If yo=
u learn the word {sorpeka} (bus) then you&#39;ve also learned that you can =
make any word of that shape, like IDK, {bamnosa} or {morpuki}. I don&#39;t =
need to compare {morpuki} to some complicated algorithm-- I can compare it =
to {sorpeka} and see that it&#39;s the same shape so it&#39;s allowed and i=
t&#39;s in that category. <br><br></div>The algorithms are just a clear col=
lectively understood way of thinking about unusual or unused forms, unexplo=
red edge cases. The normal way you speak Lojban is by knowing words and the=
ir categories and making other words shaped the same shapes as the words yo=
u already know. It&#39;s generally pretty easy and fun! <br><br></div>mu=
9;o mi&#39;e la stela selckiku <br><br></div>

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