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de'i li 2015-04-20 ti'u li 01:52 la .xorxes. di'e cusku:
> A few minor comments:

Thanks for the corrections. I've found a few more points which I'll 
handle below.

>     i as a glide can't follow a diphthong ending in i, and u as a glide
>     can't follow the diphthong au.
>
>
> This rule hasn't been implemented yet. Currently it's just that a glide
> can't follow a diphthong.

It is in the experimental grammar though, and seems to be the only 
difference in morphology between official and experimental.

- diphthong = (a i / a u / e i / o i) !nucleus !glide
+ diphthong = (a u !u / (a i / e i / o i) !i) !nucleus

Was there any opposition to having this in the official grammar, other 
than opposition to glides in general not needing a glottal stop? The
change doesn't affect any existing valid parses (or does it?)

de'i li 2015-04-19 ti'u li 22:19 la mezohe di'e cusku:
> An initial rafsi is any one of these:
> [...]
> - a zihevla that ends in a vowel syllable with its final vowel replaced
>    with y, unless the result breaks up into a string of any other rafsi
>      e.g. ka,'or,ty  a,sny

Firstly the final syllable can only have a vowel, not a diphthong, and 
secondly, in the current grammar, it can't start with a glide, only a 
consonant. (Is there a reason for that second restriction?)

> Other non-words also behave like slinkuhi, in that prepending a cmavo
> makes them a word, but these arise from rules other than the one named
> slinkuhi.

A cmavo containing no "y", that is.

> A tosmabru {valrtosmabru} is a sequence of cmavo followed by a brivla.
> tosmabru can be coerced into being brivla by adding a consonant at the
> end of the last syllable of the first cmavo.

Again, the cmavo can't contain "y"

(jbofihe comparison section)
>    - Syllables beginning with glides are their own type, and if not
>      preceded by a glottal stop, they continue the word like an
>      h-syllable.
>        e.g. {.aierne} is one word, not two,
>             {.ia} always starts with a glottal stop

This ignores words like {biardo}, which camxes used to accept, and 
{bliardo}, which I don't remember it ever doing. More accurately said, 
what camxes sees as a glide-vowel pair, jbofihe sees as a diphthong, and 
together with the next rule diphthong-glide strings continue to be allowed.

>    - Syllables beginning with vowels don't require a word boundary
>      before them.
(with vowels or diphthongs)
>        e.g. {sincrboa} is a word, {.joan.} is a word

{bliardo}, {bauiardo}, {.aierne}, {malrfiasko} are all words.

Also, strings like {fiasko} and {mrafia} are not words in jbofihe, 
though consonant-glide-happy camxes did accept them, since they are seen 
as lujvo-shaped but with illegal rafsi.

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