Received: from mail-oi0-f55.google.com ([209.85.218.55]:33608) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Yl5wK-0004tL-7X for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:28:32 -0700 Received: by oiax69 with SMTP id x69sf892678oia.0 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:28:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=/YJXKegZMSe/pK8bxj32EsnYd5LdsozFxGic2FOvk/0=; b=ZDDPK1MUMJ0M7Efu+mqLyNUNyAwYijosduWZHkliQSi+Pb/lRz61TkpJiDzBdI4oIn aCcr5u6nIzZCVpFJ0/4f9RLiiSoVpnrgfyrtHlkcHEuRcSazeyL8jmdb0mk8EYRaaV0B 7SCcCgoQNDpyjDB6fwRPccGIskklP9bi0QI2od02hiBdBkgoS3aKqChk6QeTNBcIpdTv DOIhfgjcpQrMRIP1sdMJhQXtj01MPNkRsOeDvoK3pIHwc9wPJNy0OSgX+iB3Q2pSo1gK DqmFa+goEyNE4UQ/CjVy32XiA+5fgdvcUko0lDjFLlTAITp8ZiIBb8u9U91dCzSKerY7 izFg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=/YJXKegZMSe/pK8bxj32EsnYd5LdsozFxGic2FOvk/0=; b=ebpVbRsP0pkX/ubDJ5eszOV1drL/ytw5SEhtRrH16clmvrR+ihcqOemjZ8wdetHdSE mk7Ghwxas1lJU53B6B3e1vRT96PMgqNRJZROCcYcGJCA7XLrOm9e48D3D82acw+4Eo9t FTqmw2epPS0sqm/POqLzCXRF43HJdFVwM+YuTa1z9VQPz0nOY9jk2O3yMfblNWSYymNQ 1gFF5Rm6DK0a2dSpa+PIR7QHko1oK6jCEv9SJOpNLNA6UHaz+Eu1crFHOsCyVVZ+KuOl zZwRJfm3RS0shDbRi9kdmhqbBSc7ctD1pc5J+OGkmfBrPDmtALHCxqjEk39j7yYv/lBb SicQ== X-Received: by 10.140.37.129 with SMTP id r1mr3497qgr.18.1429752502161; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:28:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.32.53 with SMTP id g50ls876731qgg.57.gmail; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:28:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.37.129 with SMTP id r1mr3496qgr.18.1429752501755; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:28:21 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <012b8929-25e9-4e37-a7fb-915cf890e334@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <55340DC0.7000106@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] What actually are the rules of word formation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_6993_1855030599.1429752501301" X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 3277 ------=_Part_6993_1855030599.1429752501301 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6994_331690247.1429752501301" ------=_Part_6994_331690247.1429752501301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:29:42 AM UTC-4, la stela selckiku wrote: > > I feel like it should be noted that while it's useful to understand this > exact algorithm, processing that entire algorithm afresh is of course not > how words are produced or understood at conversational speed in normal > sentences. The way the rules are enacted at speed is (as with many things > in language) through broad fast pattern recognition. The rules produce > numerous patterns, each of which gradually become increasingly familiar and > then obvious and then reflexive. > > That makes sense. But it sounds a lot like what I would expect learning a *natural language*, not so much from a *logical* one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_6994_331690247.1429752501301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:29:42 AM UTC-4, la = stela selckiku wrote:
I feel like it should be noted that while it's= useful to understand this exact algorithm, processing that entire algorith= m afresh is of course not how words are produced or understood at conversat= ional speed in normal sentences. The way the rules are enacted at speed is = (as with many things in language) through broad fast pattern recognition. T= he rules produce numerous patterns, each of which gradually become increasi= ngly familiar and then obvious and then reflexive.


That makes sense. But it sou= nds a lot like what I would expect learning a *natural language*, not so mu= ch from a *logical* one.

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