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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ux4si686702igb.1.2015.04.22.23.02.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Apr 2015 23:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Tsff2lnh c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=zx0GPhIIxR8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=e9J7MTPGsLIA:10 a=7wKMv_nG_eSwIipt0jQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:49991] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id CF/AD-05740-8FA88355; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 02:02:33 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1395E9EE for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 02:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] What actually are the rules of word formation? Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 02:02:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3573591.L1VoX8j47W@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-48-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <0afa96c2-0a24-4751-85ab-47831ad2973d@googlegroups.com> References: <55340DC0.7000106@gmail.com> <0afa96c2-0a24-4751-85ab-47831ad2973d@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- Content-Length: 1971 On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 18:32:21 TR NS wrote: > On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 6:01:48 PM UTC-4, cirko wrote: > > - a zihevla: > > - a vowel syllable > > - followed by any number of vowel, h-, or consonantal syllables > > - followed by a vowel- or h-syllable with no final consonant > > - is not a gismu or sequence of more than one rafsi > > - e.g. cpi,k=C3=B9,ku =C3=A0l,ga f=C3=AC,pr,koi gl=C3=A0u,ka spr= =C3=A0,'e >=20 > So the only way to identify a zi'hevla is by stress? e.g. `cpiku ku` vs. > `cpikuku` You tell that a word is in greater brivla space (a term from my program=20 valfendi) because it ends in a vowel and its second consonant is either nex= t=20 to another consonant or separated by "y" from a consonant. If you have stre= ss=20 but not word divisions (i.e. you're hearing speech), the word division of a= =20 brivla is such that the next-to-last syllable (not counting syllables whose= =20 nucleus is "y" or a consonant) is stressed and the last syllable ends in a= =20 vowel. You tell a zi'evla from a gismu because it is not a gismu or sequenc= e=20 of more than one rafsi. (A single rafsi either doesn't have two consonants = or=20 doesn't have two vowels.) "cp=C3=ADkuku" is a gismu and a cmavo: "cpiku ku". "cpik=C3=BAku" is a zi'e= vla. "dadysabodre" is in greater brivla space but is not a word. Since it has "y= "=20 in it, it's a lujvo if it's a brivla; but it cannot be broken into rafsi. Pierre --=20 Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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