Received: from mail-qk0-f191.google.com ([209.85.220.191]:34213) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YeRFW-0004GM-Fw for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 09:48:50 -0700 Received: by qkbw1 with SMTP id w1sf6257830qkb.1 for ; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 09:48:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=vo0p/8DSKps74o6rjByhWp97vqJtYFzaH5X0+LW+mqw=; b=okXwjhLeZAVLyJkAl747tovprhFYiwke8rHz2wvLarL2rmYaBI9zDKfSoD/bschv92 Lo3z+juFdXZCgOFOSUhW8GrgcdEUsiJHdbme+/cWwxy1mHfYa5EsApok7RVUUT3MJwvG k2o/zGG7PAVA1zH09aTu4xgWAJIBqISA+COJyUB2pOO0k9nvUsChvIh93AMIJPrAW8gW YuG9yyYjsBGKZkCMlw1tdx7PZH79hVNdwlDPSZYaS9k9dcaHQlRDeGAE41yngNndh+sX ITeVJGXVTqu8w7OcVdaVJLeERpX7eK3uru5C2Gjy1z9vaI7aXqR/I0/6+tLZYaR+lLtQ oyVw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=vo0p/8DSKps74o6rjByhWp97vqJtYFzaH5X0+LW+mqw=; b=KbXrOu2YK/Ocf7xXd5I3c23ny7YkLiZzvCN0/ndcveuadv+WphIpCTVaBdRfQehFzO Mxc2nb/9fy0Zj/HjAtMz6LehqjAMaMH1OpoPPA5tUN1bmFlWBFC1COxCfO2kNletYl94 uF1dngEZyU0LCTKDK0OVzCxPo7MZfI1jK48M3qGv15RTaoEN7J+hit9Mtt1tLcQoA/P+ 454N9J4++SKpsfyLLk/yFCgJ8hl5KYIfjs63psUpAFOQ35epoAAQ8LDXptvFdJ4tSVGZ fb+aG/9jY/ug+SsaFXJqCcm9GQw9MDmu+6ykQM6dVF7iiI2gB0+nnSGxkoaacYTSmjzB iY9w== X-Received: by 10.140.22.52 with SMTP id 49mr91640qgm.32.1428166120604; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 09:48:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.93.229 with SMTP id d92ls1728806qge.52.gmail; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 09:48:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.23.163 with SMTP id 32mr93020qgp.13.1428166120078; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 09:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Natanael Gustafsson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <3be103bc-7054-40ed-8d03-25f018acbca2@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <6090dd51-ff30-4204-b791-54e109e3989b@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] A few more sentences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1493_1017089910.1428166119502" X-Original-Sender: eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 4098 ------=_Part_1493_1017089910.1428166119502 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1494_260287250.1428166119502" ------=_Part_1494_260287250.1428166119502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 coi .i ji'a ki'e I have now managed to decipher all of your suggestions, that of course seem much more sensible. I am not completely sure what the nei at the end of selpa'i's sentence does though: "> Let us share our knowledge. .e'e mi'o simxu lo ka [ce'u] jungau [ce'u] fi lo se djuno be lo nei" Why would I need to repeat the bridi there? The last sentence is obviously the hardest one, because it is so vague and metaphorical. But I think what I mean is that each subject can be completely themselves at this place, that no aspect of them needs to change. I had a little trouble with selpa'i's second version of this (what selbri does the "fa"s refer to and how does the indirect question work?), but I think maybe it is getting at this? ".i go'i fa lo vi stuzi noi bu'u ke'a zifre lo ka ckaji ma kau kei fa mi .e do .e mi'o" I like that it doesn't repeat the noi! Maybe mulno could be appropriate here as well? "... noi bu'u mi mulno tu'a mi". Could "tu'a mi" be like "the essence of me"? backi was a word I found on sutsis, but it seems very similar to ckaji (except for the emphasis part). Thanks for your very quick and thoughtful replies! mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_1494_260287250.1428166119502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
coi .i ji'a ki'e
I have now managed to decipher all of = your suggestions, that of course seem much more sensible. I am not complete= ly sure what the nei at the end of selpa'i's sentence does though:

<= div class=3D"G3J0AAD-tb-b">"> Let us share our knowledge.

.e'e mi'o simxu lo ka [ce'u] jungau [ce'u] fi lo se djuno be lo n= ei"

Why would I need to repeat the bridi there?

The last sent= ence is obviously the hardest one, because it is so vague and metaphorical.= But I think what I mean is that each subject can be completely themselves = at this place, that no aspect of them needs to change. I had a little troub= le with selpa'i's second version of this (what selbri does the "fa"s refer = to and how does the indirect question work?), but I think maybe it is getti= ng at this?
".i go'i fa lo vi stuzi noi bu'u ke'a zifre lo ka ckaji ma k= au kei fa mi .e do .e mi'o"
I like that it doesn't repeat the noi! Maybe= mulno could be appropriate here as well? "... noi bu'u mi mulno tu'a mi". = Could "tu'a mi" be like "the essence of me"?

backi was a word I foun= d on sutsis, but it seems very similar to ckaji (except for the emphasis pa= rt).

Thanks for your very quick and thoughtful replies!

mu'o<= br>

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