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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cj6si836474wib.1.2015.06.22.06.03.34 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Jun 2015 06:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a; Received: by mail-wi0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id dq8so74496582wib.1 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 06:03:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.5.103 with SMTP id r7mr50065412wjr.47.1434978214268; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 06:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.226.195 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 06:03:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:03:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Some questions after reading la .teris. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b4512f2b8d22c05191ae6ab X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 6628 --047d7b4512f2b8d22c05191ae6ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Okay, unlike the last two posts, I will directly answer your question :-) (And as the author of that story, I can answer other questions about it, too) 1. The quick answer is "no". the format i BAI/(or tense) bo means that the entire sentence that follows is what is being tagged. See the CLL chapter 9, section 7 2. No, jinvi is to have an opinion, krici is to believe something. Have I used one where you think the other is better? 3. If you mean how can we use FA words and SE words to get to those places? By using constructions like "fa xi xa" and "se xi xa". (see chapter 19, section 6) --gejyspa On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Erik Natanael Gustafsson < eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com> wrote: > coi rodo > > I have just read through the CLL version of Terry the Tiger ( > http://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_.teris._po%27u_lo_tirxu_cu_vitke_zi%27o_le_barda_tcadu) > having had to look up a lot of words. It left me with some questions that > la sutsis or la jbovlaste couldn't answer: > > 1. Why all the "bo"s with cmavo in the beginning of bridis? For example > .isemu'ibo/.ibabo/.iki'ubo. Don't these cmavo take the following sumti as > an argument anyways? What have I missed? > 2. jinvi - Is jinvi used for both having an opinion about something and > believing something? Coming from Swedish where these concepts are quite > separate, it seems like malglico, but perhaps it isn't. > 3. When looking up pi'egre in la sutsis it has 6 places. How do we deal > with this? > > di'ai co'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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=C2=A0 Okay, unlike the last two posts, I will directly an= swer your question :-) =C2=A0(And as the author of that story, I can answer= other questions about it, too)

=C2=A0 1.=C2=A0 The quic= k answer is "no". =C2=A0the format i BAI/(or tense) bo =C2=A0mean= s that the entire sentence that follows is what is being tagged.=C2=A0 See = the CLL chapter 9, section 7

2.=C2=A0 No, jinvi is= to have an opinion, krici is to believe something.=C2=A0 Have I used one w= here you think the other is better?

3.=C2=A0 If yo= u mean how can we use FA words and SE words to get to those places?=C2=A0 B= y using constructions like "fa xi xa" and "se xi xa". = =C2=A0(see chapter 19, section 6)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa


On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:5= 5 AM, Erik Natanael Gustafsson <eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmai= l.com> wrote:
coi rodo

I have just read through the CLL version of Terry the T= iger (http://mw.lojban.org/papri/la= _.teris._po%27u_lo_tirxu_cu_vitke_zi%27o_le_barda_tcadu) having had to = look up a lot of words. It left me with some questions that la sutsis or la= jbovlaste couldn't answer:

1. Why all the "bo"s with = cmavo in the beginning of bridis? For example .isemu'ibo/.ibabo/.iki= 9;ubo. Don't these cmavo take the following sumti as an argument anyway= s? What have I missed?
2. jinvi - Is jinvi used for both having an opini= on about something and believing something? Coming from Swedish where these= concepts are quite separate, it seems like malglico, but perhaps it isn= 9;t.
3. When looking up pi'egre in la sutsis it has 6 places. How do= we deal with this?

di'ai co'o

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