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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Some questions after reading la .teris.
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>   You might be right, but I think that jinvi  (or possibly sruma) is
> fitting because she does have a basis for her reasoning (whereas krici
> definitionally means that there is no rational for the se krici.)
>

krici does not require that there be no rationale for the belief, it is
belief independently of there being a rationale for it or not: ro da ro de
zo'u ga nai da jinvi de gi da krici de

_Roughly_ speaking, "krici" is a superset of "jinvi", which in turn is a
superset of "djuno":

krici > jinvi > djuno
belief > justified belief > justified true belief


> Mooli has presumably pretended before about fantastical things, and what
> are the odds he is talking about a real tiger?  Nonetheless, if others on
> this list think krici (or sruma) is more appropriate, please weigh in.)
>

I would say "jinvi" is ok in this example.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><di=
v>=C2=A0 You might be right, but I think that jinvi =C2=A0(or possibly srum=
a) is fitting because she does have a basis for her reasoning (whereas kric=
i definitionally means that there is no rational for the se krici.) =C2=A0<=
/div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>krici does not requ=
ire that there be no rationale for the belief, it is belief independently o=
f there being a rationale for it or not: ro da ro de zo&#39;u ga nai da jin=
vi de gi da krici de</div><div><br></div><div>_Roughly_ speaking, &quot;kri=
ci&quot; is a superset of &quot;jinvi&quot;, which in turn is a superset of=
 &quot;djuno&quot;:</div><div><br></div><div>krici &gt; jinvi &gt; djuno</d=
iv><div>belief &gt; justified belief &gt; justified true belief</div><div>=
=C2=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>Mooli has presumably prete=
nded before about fantastical things, and what are the odds he is talking a=
bout a real tiger?=C2=A0 Nonetheless, if others on this list think krici (o=
r sruma) is more appropriate, please weigh in.)</div></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>I would say &quot;jinvi&quot; is ok in this ex=
ample.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></di=
v></div></div></div>

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