Received: from mail-pa0-f60.google.com ([209.85.220.60]:33498) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAjwp-0004Fn-6G for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:15:03 -0700 Received: by padia9 with SMTP id ia9sf9208788pad.0 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:14:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=koWmY/OaqxxzfTh4Q8OU1cKk3cmc/6P0Xi6pgcVMBVs=; b=pAxYDncWh8QZMOdEuRl1Vq5SfCPBCtJ3dW+4jYtJT+fEpOjlsWYykXCAOeqT90NF1b os9BEIOCmPX7JFcyGBboZKX8Wnrt3tpu/MPjO1FmKhrY8S9UTMaLO+5zYpNRxTXnqZPR NTt/j2YfmlkLCxE4IlyrIflq0yVZAGAAqYKwtBem+diBr2Nn0vJ3zuacuP77cNc3sKl/ v+vLOTt6HTTUJ0Jv2PqqTvGdGi0zo1Nizodf1o6vUPzwnqvlqyMmmNsxEUap+jw16uI4 ff519peX2YFf5YgY3k1Cc7TsqtTf/Q709guYZ13Hm1F7u7QPIBaZNQsSdbveQusJnK79 vy6A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=koWmY/OaqxxzfTh4Q8OU1cKk3cmc/6P0Xi6pgcVMBVs=; b=niGY2G0uNDi6gXQB5JJypgwIRCpuHOE+C69Hc1BIi8lbwgNEH3vi2eIWvU8ptTrSuA qKu6jAmOxCbvAD7M02tgazUaa9JtRmvGzzSjAHuHwu6JbQOMXn+41Zul1SuA7CJcI8rC hGAMUfAlfsxeplN3ExWVzv0n86xHCXzsV/N0V7muhLYprUNnYG1TDSncSSR7r+aAjg2h 6ht4Mv1VmNfXSop0w9ujK1VM+N+cK8Qxpt+mu45QPSU4I+QotwcrJbFeaT8pnE2B1grF BXdXXl56jJLqqJCauCC1Hm7LzRtc9SOCSRPTT3XXUoVwdmgo2er1M+5u9E2izW2epNjM YMCQ== X-Received: by 10.140.94.166 with SMTP id g35mr207261qge.1.1435864493158; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:14:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.88.116 with SMTP id s107ls1562936qgd.65.gmail; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:14:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.85.11 with SMTP id m11mr316765qgd.29.1435864491941; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Natanael Gustafsson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <85a4ad84-61dc-4089-967e-9e1f29dc93b3@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <55953442.8050709@gmail.com> References: <4502e6dd-3a5d-4596-a637-cdc07030d678@googlegroups.com> <1844540.PG0NdlNGt2@caracal> <7b1aeda5-e46c-4f50-9ee6-c5fc58768d62@googlegroups.com> <1516537.7dOU9lx3EX@caracal> <3a642760-e3e8-445d-a4b4-ce8aec56ac85@googlegroups.com> <55953442.8050709@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Text for a piece of music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_3335_163982465.1435864491237" X-Original-Sender: eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.1 X-Spam_score_int: -30 X-Spam_bar: --- Content-Length: 4606 ------=_Part_3335_163982465.1435864491237 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3336_831770154.1435864491237" ------=_Part_3336_831770154.1435864491237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 2:53:34 PM UTC+2, Ilmen wrote: > > > > I would say {lo ro cipni cu dunsi'u lo ka sanga}, here. I don't think {ro > loi cipni cu simxu...} is correct here, because this {ro} makes it > distributive, whereas {simxu} expects a plurality of individuals. > What is the difference between dunsi'u and mitsi'u? You are right, they should be treated as individuals. It fits better with the context as well. I made some slight changes in word order, but it parses in cmaxes so I think I have retained the meaning, or even clarified it a bit: loi melbi se peisku be do lo ricfoi lo zukte seldjica cu dasnygau .i ro loi jespezli lo xance mu'i lo terfapro cu galgau .i lo ro cipni cu jorne fi lo mitsi'u selsa'a .i loi melbi se peisku be do se ka'a lo sasfoi cu rivli'a .ijebo mi'o bajra gi'e farlu gi'e sa'irbi'o gi'e ba bo refcfa bajra .i mi'o bajra mu'i lo xamgu be lo ricfoi .ijebo mi'o bajra mu'i lo ka ro da na'e claxu lo ka smuni .i mi darsi lo nu pensi lo pa se peisku noi binxo lo spatrxorki di'o lo jamfu po'e mi .i lo so'o drata cu co'a bajra .ijebo loi ri se peisku cu binxo lo makpapi .e lo centaureia se ri'a lo nu lo sasfoi cu culno lo kamba'i co xrula .i co'u piro lo munje cu culno lo melbi xrula .i co'u piro lo munje cu sasfoi lo melbi se peisku -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 2:53:34 PM UTC+2, Ilm= en wrote:
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I would say {lo ro cipni cu dunsi'u lo ka sanga}, here. I don't think {ro loi cipni cu simxu...} is correct here, because this {ro} makes it distributive, whereas {simxu} expects a plurality of individuals.
What is the difference between = dunsi'u and mitsi'u? You are right, they should be treated as individuals. = It fits better with the context as well.

I made some slight changes= in word order, but it parses in cmaxes so I think I have retained the mean= ing, or even clarified it a bit:

loi melbi se peisku be do
lo ri= cfoi lo zukte seldjica cu dasnygau
.i ro loi jespezli lo xance
mu'i = lo terfapro cu galgau
.i lo ro cipni cu jorne
fi lo mitsi'u selsa'a<= br>
.i loi melbi se peisku be do
se ka'a lo sasfoi cu rivli'a
.ij= ebo mi'o bajra gi'e farlu
gi'e sa'irbi'o gi'e ba bo refcfa bajra
.i= mi'o bajra mu'i lo xamgu be lo ricfoi
.ijebo mi'o bajra mu'i lo ka ro da na'e claxu lo ka smuni

.i mi darsi lo nu pensi lo pa se peisk= u
noi binxo lo spatrxorki di'o lo jamfu po'e mi
.i lo so'o drata cu = co'a bajra
.ijebo loi ri se peisku cu binxo
lo makpapi .e lo centau= reia
se ri'a lo nu lo sasfoi cu culno
lo kamba'i co xrula

.i= co'u piro lo munje cu culno lo melbi xrula
.i co'u piro lo munje cu sas= foi lo melbi se peisku

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