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[2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sf5si55902lbb.2.2015.07.14.10.14.41 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mustafaipekbayrak@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::234; Received: by mail-la0-x234.google.com with SMTP id m6so9995717lae.0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:14:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.225.164 with SMTP id rl4mr23779255lac.38.1436894081352; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.255.36 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:14:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:14:41 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to say to make sth better? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Mustafa_=C4=B0pekbayrak?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11349aa64c8b3c051ad8f9c6 X-Original-Sender: mustafaipekbayrak@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mustafaipekbayrak@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mustafaipekbayrak@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 7928 --001a11349aa64c8b3c051ad8f9c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you so much! It is very confusing when I try to convert English to lojban but after reading your expression I understand it. I think I need to understand the logic and study and memorize more and more. Thank you so much. On 14 July 2015 at 19:58, Gleki Arxokuna wrote= : > > > 2015-07-14 19:27 GMT+03:00 Mustafa =C4=B0pekbayrak >: > >> Hi friends. I am new in lojban. >> I wonder how to say "to make something better" in lojban. >> > > If you need literally a verb then {jai gau zenba fai SOMETHING lo ni xamg= u} > > E.g. > mi jai gau zenba fai lo dinju lo ni xamgu > I make the house better. > > Of course we can have other rephrasings not necessarily imitating English > word order: > gau mi lo dinju cu zenba lo ni xamgu > which would mean the same, although it sounds (although doesn't mean) > something like "due to me the house increases in being good" > > There is also a verb > xagzengau =3D xa (agent) improves x2, makes x2 better ... > > mi xagzengau lo dinju =3D I improve the house. > > although it requires learning one more word where is in the previous > examples I used only core vocabulary. > > > Can anybody tell me? >> Thank you. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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Thank you so much! It is very confusing when I try to conv= ert English to lojban but after reading your expression I understand it. I = think I need to understand the logic and study and memorize more and more. =
Thank you so much.

On 14 July 2015 at 19:58, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.= is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2015-07-14 19:27 GMT+03:00 Mustafa =C4=B0pekbayrak <= span dir=3D"ltr"><mustafaipekbayrak@gmail.com>:
Hi friends. I am new in lojban.
I wond= er how to say "to make something better" in lojban.

If you need literally a verb then {ja= i gau zenba fai SOMETHING lo ni xamgu}

E.g.
<= div>mi jai gau zenba fai lo dinju lo ni xamgu
I make the house be= tter.

Of course we can have other rephrasings not = necessarily imitating English word order:
gau mi lo dinju cu zenb= a lo ni xamgu
which would mean the same, although it sounds (alth= ough doesn't mean) something like "due to me the house increases i= n being good"

There is also a verb
= xagzengau =3D xa (agent) improves x2, makes x2 better ...
mi xagzengau lo dinju =3D I improve the house.

although it requires learning one more word where is in the previo= us examples I used only core vocabulary.


Can anybody tell = me?
Thank you.

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