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[2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bm9si134013lbb.0.2015.07.15.03.06.39 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Jul 2015 03:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mustafaipekbayrak@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f; Received: by laem6 with SMTP id m6so21562839lae.0 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 03:06:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.221.9 with SMTP id qa9mr3214684lbc.23.1436954799211; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 03:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.255.36 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 03:06:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55A55528.8040205@gmx.de> References: <55A55528.8040205@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 13:06:39 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to say to make sth better? 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I was think as I got the idea but I see that I was not after to read your information. Thank you so much for your time. Can I ask one more thing? I could not found any example about asking "why" and answering with "for". How can we do that? Thank you. On 14 July 2015 at 21:30, selpa'i wrote: > la'o me. Mustafa =C4=B0pekbayrak .me cusku di'e > >> Hi friends. I am new in lojban. >> I wonder how to say "to make something better" in lojban. Can anybody >> tell me? >> > > There are at least six ways to say this, of which gleki only showed two: > > (1) mi gasnu lo nu X zenba lo ka xamgu > "I bring about that X increases in goodness." > > (2) mi gasnu lo nu X xagze'a > "I bring about that X improves." > > (3) mi xagzengau X > "I improve X." > > (4) gau mi X xagze'a > "Brought about by me, X improves." > > (5) mi jai gau xagze'a fai X > "I am the cause of improvement of X." > > (6) mi jai gau zenba fai X lo ka xamgu > "I am the cause of increase of X in goodness." > > They all mean the same, and only differ in structure. 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Thank you very very much sir. I was think as I g= ot the idea but I see that I was not after to read your information. Thank = you so much for your time.
Can I ask one more thing? I could not f= ound any example about asking "why" and answering with "for&= quot;. How can we do that?
Thank you.

On 14 July 2015 at 21:30, selpa'= i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
la&= #39;o me. Mustafa =C4=B0pekbayrak .me cusku di'e
Hi friends. I am new in lojban.
I wonder how to say "to make something better" in lojban. Can any= body
tell me?

 There are at least six ways to say this, of which gleki only showed two:
=C2=A0 (1) mi gasnu lo nu X zenba lo ka xamgu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "I bring about that X increases in goodness."= ;

=C2=A0 (2) mi gasnu lo nu X xagze'a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "I bring about that X improves."

=C2=A0 (3) mi xagzengau X
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "I improve X."

=C2=A0 (4) gau mi X xagze'a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Brought about by me, X improves."

=C2=A0 (5) mi jai gau xagze'a fai X
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "I am the cause of improvement of X."

=C2=A0 (6) mi jai gau zenba fai X lo ka xamgu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "I am the cause of increase of X in goodness.&quo= t;

They all mean the same, and only differ in structure. It is a matter of per= sonal preference, but (1-6) are all correct.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

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