Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48;
X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined
X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=L+4kHYj8 c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=VVgVVhSuXUIA:10 a=jPJDawAOAc8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=8q-ydvtAuM4S-SwfxGYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10
X-CM-Score: 0
X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine
Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org)
Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:46997] helo=bezitopo.org)
	by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from <phma@bezitopo.org>)
	(ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) 
	id 48/6C-26404-0B058A55; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:47:44 -0400
Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CED4699
	for <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com>; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:47:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtsb2piYW4tYmVnaW5uZXJzXSBEaWZmZXJlbmVzIGJldHdlZW4g4oCca2HigJ0gYQ==?=
	=?UTF-8?B?bmQg4oCcbnXigJ0=?=
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:47:40 -0400
Message-ID: <36853208.apcf47XYXW@caracal>
User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-55-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; )
In-Reply-To: <9d0d3a78-cc0d-4ae4-8f3a-7702317b2fba@googlegroups.com>
References: <0e6ef83b-e998-42a2-8e36-2a7dd87348b5@googlegroups.com> <CAO7bV+h6JztUEg2L6H4VpitaMckF296yTU8hRtCbuGo7VdbGCw@mail.gmail.com> <9d0d3a78-cc0d-4ae4-8f3a-7702317b2fba@googlegroups.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org
X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com;       spf=neutral
 (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess
 record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org
Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban-beginners.googlegroups.com>
X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/post>, <mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/>, <mailto:lojban-beginners+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners
Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/subscribe>, <mailto:lojban-beginners+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:googlegroups-manage+300742228892+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>,
 <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/subscribe>
X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---)
X-Spam_score: -3.0
X-Spam_score_int: -29
X-Spam_bar: ---
Content-Length: 1347

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 03:53:59 Erik Natanael Gustafsson wrote:
> Okay. I'm slowly grasping it. Is what is written in the CLL on this subje=
ct
> still what is used by Lojbanists? Thank you for your very complete answer=
s,
> I'll read a few more times :)

I don't know how closely everyone follows CLL on this. I think that some=20
selbri that take abstractions in a place can take multiple kinds. For=20
instance, "djuno" is listed as taking "du'u", but I'd use it with others as=
=20
well:

mi djuno lo du'u la .fred. tumymre
I know that Fred is a surveyor.

mi djuno lo pu'u tumymre
I know how to survey.

mi djuno lo li'i tumymre .i trombikula .i sisku lo korba'a .i co'e
I know what it's like to survey: chiggers, looking for boundary markers, an=
d=20
so forth.

Pierre
--=20
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.

--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
Lojban Beginners" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e=
mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.