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la .piier. cu cusku di'e
> On Thursday, July 16, 2015 03:53:59 Erik Natanael Gustafsson wrote:
>> Okay. I'm slowly grasping it. Is what is written in the CLL on this subject
>> still what is used by Lojbanists? Thank you for your very complete answers,
>> I'll read a few more times :)
>
> I don't know how closely everyone follows CLL on this. I think that some
> selbri that take abstractions in a place can take multiple kinds. For
> instance, "djuno" is listed as taking "du'u", but I'd use it with others as
> well:
>
> mi djuno lo du'u la .fred. tumymre
> I know that Fred is a surveyor.
>
> mi djuno lo pu'u tumymre
> I know how to survey.
>
> mi djuno lo li'i tumymre .i trombikula .i sisku lo korba'a .i co'e
> I know what it's like to survey: chiggers, looking for boundary markers, and
> so forth.

The last two are raising. {mi djuno lo pu'u broda} does not mean "I know 
how to broda" but "I know the process of broda" (which sounds fine in 
*English* but isn't in Lojban. Really it means "I know that the process 
of broda is true" and is similar to {mi djuno la .djan.}).

The correct way is {mi djuno lo du'u ma kau pu'u broda} or {mi djuno lo 
du'u ma kau tadji lo ka broda}. The same goes for {li'i}, it should be 
{mi djuno lo du'u ma kau li'i broda}.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

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