Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 10:59:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: "la .xabltos." <hobbletoe@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Trying my first translation ... a few questions.
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So, I have been studying for a few months now.  Most of that time, I read 
through most of the Wave lessons, and the crash course, though mostly 
through "Lojban for Beginners".  Recently, I started to go through some of 
the "early reader" texts that I could find, as I think that that will help 
me learn the basic grammar better as it won't be as complex.

So now I am trying to translate an "early reader" book to Lojban.  I have 
noticed that it really requires you to understand and think about the 
grammar of the sentence more than I would normally do.  I am hoping that 
this is a learned thing, and that it will be come easier as time passes, as 
I think it was tripping me up initially.

So, the name of the book is "The Puppy Who Lost his Bark".   Initially, I 
thought that I needed to use "lost" as my selbri, and build the rest of the 
sentence around that.  What I got was

lo cityge'u ma cu cirko le ri gercmo

Which I really knew was not right.  "ma" is completely out of place and 
doesn't fit into the sentence structure.  Then it dawned on me that I was 
dealing with a relative clause, and I think I got it right the second time 
around.

lo cityge'u poi ma kau cirko le ke'a gercmo

I then move on into the book.  "Little Puppy likes to play, but loses toys 
every day."

.i lo cmalu cityge'u goi ko'a cu nelci le nu kelci ku ku'i ri cirko le 
zilkei ti'u le ro djedi

My question here (outside of hoping that I got it right), is "zilkei".  I 
understand it as a lujvo (zi'o kelci).  What I don't understand is why that 
would be chosen over something like selkei (se kelci).  Can anyone explain 
this choice?

I've gone a bit farther, but don't want to run into any copyright blah, 
blah, blah, so I'll stop here.

Any notes, comments, corrections would be appreciated.

Thank you.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>So, I have been studying for a few months now.=C2=A0 =
Most of that time, I read through most of the Wave lessons, and the crash c=
ourse, though mostly through &quot;Lojban for Beginners&quot;.=C2=A0 Recent=
ly, I started to go through some of the &quot;early reader&quot; texts that=
 I could find, as I think that that will help me learn the basic grammar be=
tter as it won&#39;t be as complex.</div><div><br></div><div>So now I am tr=
ying to translate an &quot;early reader&quot; book to Lojban.=C2=A0 I have =
noticed that it really requires you to understand and think about the gramm=
ar of the sentence more than I would normally do.=C2=A0 I am hoping that th=
is is a learned thing, and that it will be come easier as time passes, as I=
 think it was tripping me up initially.</div><div><br></div><div>So, the na=
me of the book is &quot;The Puppy Who Lost his Bark&quot;.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Init=
ially, I thought that I needed to use &quot;lost&quot; as my selbri, and bu=
ild the rest of the sentence around that.=C2=A0 What I got was</div><div><b=
r></div><div><font style=3D"background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">lo cityg=
e&#39;u ma cu cirko le ri gercmo</font></div><div><br></div><div>Which I re=
ally knew was not right.=C2=A0 &quot;ma&quot; is completely out of place an=
d doesn&#39;t fit into the sentence structure.=C2=A0 Then it dawned on me t=
hat I was dealing with a relative clause, and I think I got it right the se=
cond time around.</div><div><br></div><div><font color=3D"#000000" style=3D=
"background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">lo cityge&#39;u poi ma kau=C2=A0cir=
ko le ke&#39;a gercmo</font></div><div><br></div><div>I then move on into t=
he book.=C2=A0 &quot;Little Puppy likes to play, but loses toys every day.&=
quot;</div><div><br></div><div><font style=3D"background-color: rgb(204, 20=
4, 204);">.i lo cmalu cityge&#39;u goi ko&#39;a cu nelci le nu kelci ku ku&=
#39;i ri cirko le zilkei ti&#39;u=C2=A0le ro djedi</font></div><div><br></d=
iv><div>My question here (outside of hoping that I got it right), is &quot;=
<font style=3D"background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">zilkei</font>&quot;.=
=C2=A0 I understand it as a lujvo (<font style=3D"background-color: rgb(204=
, 204, 204);">zi&#39;o kelci</font>).=C2=A0 What I don&#39;t understand is =
why that would be chosen over something like selkei (<font style=3D"backgro=
und-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">se kelci</font>).=C2=A0 Can anyone explain =
this choice?</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve gone a bit farther, but don&=
#39;t want to run into any copyright blah, blah, blah, so I&#39;ll stop her=
e.</div><div><br></div><div>Any notes, comments, corrections would be appre=
ciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you.</div></div>

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