Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 17:46:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: "la .xabltos." <hobbletoe@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Trying my first translation ... a few questions.
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Thank you both so much.  I really appreciate the feed back, and I will 
definitely think this all over. 

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-4, la .xabltos. wrote:
>
> So, I have been studying for a few months now.  Most of that time, I read 
> through most of the Wave lessons, and the crash course, though mostly 
> through "Lojban for Beginners".  Recently, I started to go through some of 
> the "early reader" texts that I could find, as I think that that will help 
> me learn the basic grammar better as it won't be as complex.
>
> So now I am trying to translate an "early reader" book to Lojban.  I have 
> noticed that it really requires you to understand and think about the 
> grammar of the sentence more than I would normally do.  I am hoping that 
> this is a learned thing, and that it will be come easier as time passes, as 
> I think it was tripping me up initially.
>
> So, the name of the book is "The Puppy Who Lost his Bark".   Initially, I 
> thought that I needed to use "lost" as my selbri, and build the rest of the 
> sentence around that.  What I got was
>
> lo cityge'u ma cu cirko le ri gercmo
>
> Which I really knew was not right.  "ma" is completely out of place and 
> doesn't fit into the sentence structure.  Then it dawned on me that I was 
> dealing with a relative clause, and I think I got it right the second time 
> around.
>
> lo cityge'u poi ma kau cirko le ke'a gercmo
>
> I then move on into the book.  "Little Puppy likes to play, but loses toys 
> every day."
>
> .i lo cmalu cityge'u goi ko'a cu nelci le nu kelci ku ku'i ri cirko le 
> zilkei ti'u le ro djedi
>
> My question here (outside of hoping that I got it right), is "zilkei".  I 
> understand it as a lujvo (zi'o kelci).  What I don't understand is why 
> that would be chosen over something like selkei (se kelci).  Can anyone 
> explain this choice?
>
> I've gone a bit farther, but don't want to run into any copyright blah, 
> blah, blah, so I'll stop here.
>
> Any notes, comments, corrections would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you both so much. =C2=A0I really appreciate the feed=
 back, and I will definitely think this all over.=C2=A0<br><br>On Tuesday, =
August 25, 2015 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-4, la .xabltos. wrote:<blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>So, I have been studying =
for a few months now.=C2=A0 Most of that time, I read through most of the W=
ave lessons, and the crash course, though mostly through &quot;Lojban for B=
eginners&quot;.=C2=A0 Recently, I started to go through some of the &quot;e=
arly reader&quot; texts that I could find, as I think that that will help m=
e learn the basic grammar better as it won&#39;t be as complex.</div><div><=
br></div><div>So now I am trying to translate an &quot;early reader&quot; b=
ook to Lojban.=C2=A0 I have noticed that it really requires you to understa=
nd and think about the grammar of the sentence more than I would normally d=
o.=C2=A0 I am hoping that this is a learned thing, and that it will be come=
 easier as time passes, as I think it was tripping me up initially.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>So, the name of the book is &quot;The Puppy Who Lost his =
Bark&quot;.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Initially, I thought that I needed to use &quot;los=
t&quot; as my selbri, and build the rest of the sentence around that.=C2=A0=
 What I got was</div><div><br></div><div><font style=3D"background-color:rg=
b(204,204,204)">lo cityge&#39;u ma cu cirko le ri gercmo</font></div><div><=
br></div><div>Which I really knew was not right.=C2=A0 &quot;ma&quot; is co=
mpletely out of place and doesn&#39;t fit into the sentence structure.=C2=
=A0 Then it dawned on me that I was dealing with a relative clause, and I t=
hink I got it right the second time around.</div><div><br></div><div><font =
color=3D"#000000" style=3D"background-color:rgb(204,204,204)">lo cityge&#39=
;u poi ma kau=C2=A0cirko le ke&#39;a gercmo</font></div><div><br></div><div=
>I then move on into the book.=C2=A0 &quot;Little Puppy likes to play, but =
loses toys every day.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div><font style=3D"backgro=
und-color:rgb(204,204,204)">.i lo cmalu cityge&#39;u goi ko&#39;a cu nelci =
le nu kelci ku ku&#39;i ri cirko le zilkei ti&#39;u=C2=A0le ro djedi</font>=
</div><div><br></div><div>My question here (outside of hoping that I got it=
 right), is &quot;<font style=3D"background-color:rgb(204,204,204)">zilkei<=
/font>&quot;.=C2=A0 I understand it as a lujvo (<font style=3D"background-c=
olor:rgb(204,204,204)">zi&#39;o kelci</font>).=C2=A0 What I don&#39;t under=
stand is why that would be chosen over something like selkei (<font style=
=3D"background-color:rgb(204,204,204)">se kelci</font>).=C2=A0 Can anyone e=
xplain this choice?</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve gone a bit farther, b=
ut don&#39;t want to run into any copyright blah, blah, blah, so I&#39;ll s=
top here.</div><div><br></div><div>Any notes, comments, corrections would b=
e appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you.</div></div></blockquote>=
</div>

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