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la'o me. Timothy Lawrence .me cusku di'e
>> I don't think {simbi'o} means what you want. {simbi'o} means "x1
>> (plural) become mutual in property x2".
>
> Is jbovlaste wrong in its definition of "s1 (mass/set) integrate /
> unite with each other, displaying quality s2."?
> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/lookup?Form=lookup.pl1&Strategy=*&Database=en%3C-%3Ejbo&Query=simbi%27o&submit=Search

If you click that link now it will display a different definition :)

> Actually I am looking at its place values and I understand your comments about agentives now.
>
> Would "jongau" be better?

Yes, or {jonsimgau}, which has the jorne1 and jorne2 merged into a 
single sumti place.

> How about
>
> 	za'a lo bangu cu fendi ma'a.i
> 	ja'o lo ka remna cu jongau ma'a.i
> 	.ei ma'a cilre fi ma'a
>
> or maybe
>
> 	za'a lo bangu cu fendi ma'a.i
> 	ja'o lo ka remna cu jongau mi do.i
> 	.ei ma'a cilre fi ma'a
>
> ?

Yeah this is the difference between {jongau} and {jonsimgau}. You need 
either {jongau mi do} (which suffers from not including another 
unspecified third party; since {mi + do} = {mi'o}, not {ma'a}), or 
{jonsimgau ma'a}. If you said {jongau ma'a} to a Lojbanist, they would 
ask {jongau ma'a ma}, "Connect us with what?".

Other than that it looks fine to me.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

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