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Could I just say {ma xe fanva zoi gy. .gy} and the language would be clear from context? ________________________________ From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com on behalf of selpa'i Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2015 5:59 AM To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban attempt: please correct la'o me. Timothy Lawrence .me cusku di'e: > A few more questions: > > - How does one say "Does that make any sense?" in Lojban? - How does > one say "How does one say (English) in Lojban?" in Lojban? Yet again there are many options... {xu smudra} -- "Is [it] semantically correct?" {xu do te smuni di'u lo cizra} -- "Do you understand the previous utterance as having a strange meaning?" And for the second one you can use either of the following: {ma xe fanva zoi gy. .gy lo jbobau} -- "What's the translation result of into Lojban?" {ma noi lojbo cu smudu'i zoi gy. .gy [gi'e lojbo]} -- "What Lojban expression has the same meaning as ?" I like the second one because it doesn't involve an agent (fanva1). The first one is the old-school way. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o ________________________________ From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com on behalf of Michael Turniansky Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2015 6:13 AM To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban attempt: please correct And for the second one you can use either of the following: {ma xe fanva zoi gy. .gy lo jbobau} -- "What's the translation result of into Lojban?" {ma noi lojbo cu smudu'i zoi gy. .gy [gi'e lojbo]} -- "What Lojban expression has the same meaning as ?" I like the second one because it doesn't involve an agent (fanva1). The first one is the old-school way (And since I am old school, that's the one I suggested ;-) --gejyspa ________________________________ From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com on behalf of Michael Turniansky Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2015 5:45 AM To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban attempt: please correct On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Timothy Lawrence > wrote: A few more questions: - How does one say "Does that make any sense?" in Lojban? Well, "xu di'u se smuni lo seldji be mi" means "does that last utterance mean what I wanted"? Or you could try "ki'a pei" ("are you confused by what I said?") - How does one say "How does one say (English) in Lojban?" in Lojban? ma xe fanva zoi gy (put English here) gy la lojban ("what is a translation of ____ in lojban?") --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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Thanks all,

I like these because they are shorter and memorable:
  • ki'a pei
  • xu smudra
Are these also valid?
  •  jimpe
  • <= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">xu = do jimpe di'u
  • mi'e lo cilre fi la.lojban.
  • xu di'u smudra

With {ma xe fa= nva zoi gy. <English> .gy lo jbobau} couldn't one techni= cally correctly respond with text in another language that is als= o deemed logical?
Could I just say {ma xe fanva zoi gy. <English> .= gy} and the language would be clear from context?
From: lojban-beginners@goog= legroups.com <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com> on behalf of selpa'i= <seladwa@gmx.de>
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2015 5:59 AM
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban attempt: please correct
 
la'o me. Timothy Lawrence .me cusku di'e:
= > A few more questions:
>
> - How does one say "Does that make any sense?" in Lojban? - = How does
> one say "How does one say (English) in Lojban?" in Lojban?
Yet again there are many options...

{xu smudra} -- "Is [it] semantically correct?"

{xu do te smuni di'u lo cizra} -- "Do you understand the previous
utterance as having a strange meaning?"


And for the second one you can use either of the following:

{ma xe fanva zoi gy. <English> .gy lo jbobau} -- "What's the tra= nslation
result of <English> into Lojban?"

{ma noi lojbo cu smudu'i zoi gy. <English> .gy [gi'e lojbo]} -- "= ;What
Lojban expression has the same meaning as <English>?"

I like the second one because it doesn't involve an agent (fanva1). The
first one is the old-school way.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o


From: lojban-beginners@goog= legroups.com <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Michael= Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2015 6:13 AM
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban attempt: please correct
 


And for the second one you can use either of the following:

{ma xe fanva zoi gy. <English> .gy lo jbobau} -- "What's the tra= nslation result of <English> into Lojban?"

{ma noi lojbo cu smudu'i zoi gy. <English> .gy [gi'e lojbo]} -- "= ;What Lojban expression has the same meaning as <English>?"

I like the second one because it doesn't involve an agent (fanva1). The fir= st one is the old-school way

  (And since I am old school, that's the one I suggested ;-) = ;
                    =                      = ;              --gejyspa
 




From: lojban-beginners@goog= legroups.com <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Michael= Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2015 5:45 AM
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban attempt: please correct
 


On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Timothy Lawrenc= e <timothy.lawrence@conne= ct.qut.edu.au> wrote:
   
A few more questions:

- How does one say "Does that make any sense?" in Lojban?

   Well, "xu di'u se smuni lo seldji be mi" means = "does that last utterance mean what I wanted"?  Or you could= try "ki'a pei" ("are you confused by what I said?")&nb= sp;


- How does one say "How does one say (English) in Lojban?" in Loj= ban?

ma xe fanva zoi gy (put English here) gy la lojban ("what is a tr= anslation of ____ in lojban?")
 
       --gejyspa


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