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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x20si154377wia.0.2015.08.27.05.37.27 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 27 Aug 2015 05:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::235; Received: by mail-wi0-x235.google.com with SMTP id ge2so176353wic.0 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 05:37:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.208.34 with SMTP id mb2mr19444699wic.88.1440679047289; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 05:37:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.227.8 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 05:36:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55DEE57D.3020605@gmx.de> References: <55DEE57D.3020605@gmx.de> From: Michael Turniansky Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:36:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban attempt: please correct To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c38260d96090051e4a3ab8 X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mturniansky@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 5702 --001a11c38260d96090051e4a3ab8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 6:25 AM, selpa'i wrote: > la'o me. Timothy Lawrence .me cusku di'e > >> Are these also valid? >> >> * xu do jimpe >> * xu do jimpe di'u >> * mi'e lo cilre fi la.lojban. >> * xu di'u smudra >> > > gejyspa already commented on the second sentence, but more importantly the > third sentence is actually grammatically incorrect in that {fi la .lojban.} > is a completely separate sumti from {lo cilre}. You have to use {be} to > "inject" {fi la .lojban.} into {cilre} so that you are left with a single > expression: > > {mi'e lo cilre be fi la .lojban.} > "I am learner-about-Lojban." > > la selpa'i cu drani .i mi fu'esku lo ka pu tatpi ku lo nu mi norse'a lo vi fatci (selpa'i is correct. I blame tiredness for omitting that fact) --geyspa > Similarly, {lo klama be lo tcadu} is a goer to the city, but {lo klama lo > tcadu} is two sumti -- "A goer, a city". > > But you could also just say {mi cilre fi la .lojban.} instead of using > {mi'e}. > > mi'e la selpa'i mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 6:25 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
la'o me. T= imothy Lawrence .me cusku di'e
Are these also valid?

=C2=A0 * xu do jimpe
=C2=A0 * xu do jimpe di'u
=C2=A0 * mi'e lo cilre fi la.lojban.
=C2=A0 * xu di'u smudra

gejyspa already commented on the second sentence, but more importantly the = third sentence is actually grammatically incorrect in that {fi la .lojban.}= is a completely separate sumti from {lo cilre}. You have to use {be} to &q= uot;inject" {fi la .lojban.} into {cilre} so that you are left with a = single expression:

{mi'e lo cilre be fi la .lojban.}
"I am learner-about-Lojban."

=C2=A0 la selpa'i cu drani .i mi fu'esku lo k= a pu tatpi ku lo nu mi norse'a lo vi fatci=C2=A0
(selpa'i= is correct.=C2=A0 I blame tiredness for omitting that fact)

=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--geyspa

<= div>=C2=A0
Similarly, {lo klama be lo tcadu} is a goer to the city, but {lo klama lo t= cadu} is two sumti -- "A goer, a city".

But you could also just say {mi cilre fi la .lojban.} instead of using {mi&= #39;e}.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

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