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[2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n7si76527iga.3.2015.09.18.18.56.37 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a; Received: by mail-io0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id i196so74110407ioi.3 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:56:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.6.139 with SMTP id f11mr16809257ioi.61.1442627797134; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.79.75.195 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.79.75.195 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:56:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6841974.vC9XkMjLoQ@caracal> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:56:37 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] klama From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113eeaea6437d405200ff59b X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=eyeonus@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 9841 --001a113eeaea6437d405200ff59b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm not even going to try. I was merely pointing out that when it comes to electronic communication, there are exactly two things that actually muvdu, depending on the firm of transmission: electrons and photons. On Sep 18, 2015 04:16, "Michael Turniansky" wrote: > I defy you to define the se muvdu of any given electron in there. They > don't move from the source computer to the end computer, because the > information (which is sometimes in the form of radio waves, for example) is > constantly being read and re-transmitted by intervening devices. > --gejyspa > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> The electrons that benji the packets muvdu. >> On Sep 17, 2015 17:13, "Michael Turniansky" >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> >>>> On Thursday, September 17, 2015 13:14:42 Remo Dentato wrote: >>>> > {klama} should only be for physical movement. If we accept {kibro} as >>>> a >>>> > valid gismu (which is something I happily do), I would use {kibycpa} >>>> >>>> I'd use {kibycpa} for "download" and {kibycta} for looking at a web >>>> page. >>>> >>>> {klama} requires a destination, an origin, a route, and a means of >>>> transport. >>>> You aren't going from an origin to a destination when you view a web >>>> page. The >>>> packets containing the web page do muvdu (not sure about {klama} as I >>>> don't >>>> see a vehicle involved). >>>> >>> >>> The packets don't muvdu, they se benji. >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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I'm not even going to try. I was merely pointing out tha= t when it comes to electronic communication, there are exactly two things t= hat actually muvdu, depending on the firm of transmission: electrons and ph= otons.

On Sep 18, 2015 04:16, "Michael Turniansky&= quot; <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 I defy you to define the se muvdu of any given electron in= there.=C2=A0 They don't move from the source computer to the end compu= ter, because the information (which is sometimes in the form of radio waves= , for example) is constantly being read and re-transmitted by intervening d= evices.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa
=


On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Jonathan Jones <<= a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:

The ele= ctrons that benji the packets muvdu.

On Sep 17, 2015 17:13, "Michael T= urniansky" <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:0= 1 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Thursday, September 17, 2015 13:14:42 Remo Den= tato wrote:
> {klama} should only be for physical movement. If we accept {kibro} as = a
> valid gismu (which is something I happily do), I would use {kibycpa}
I'd use {kibycpa} for "download" and {kibycta} for loo= king at a web page.

{klama} requires a destination, an origin, a route, and a means of transpor= t.
You aren't going from an origin to a destination when you view a web pa= ge. The
packets containing the web page do muvdu (not sure about {klama} as I don&#= 39;t
see a vehicle involved).

=C2=A0 The pac= kets don't muvdu, they se benji.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa
=C2=A0

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