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On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 23:30:13 lojban@fagricipni.com wrote:
> mi'e la fagri cipni
> 
> 
> mi djica lo nu mi klama lo zarci be lo cukta
> I want the event of my going to a store that sells books.
> I want to go to a book store.
> 
> If I wanted to get to the third place of "djica" here I believe that
> I would need two terminators here: either "ku ku" or "be'o ku".  The
> first terminator, either "ku" or "be'o", terminates "lo cukta"; the
> second, "ku" in both cases, terminates "lo zarci ...".

The terminator for "nu" (and anything else in NU) is "kei". So if you put 
"kei" after "cukta", you have "mi djica lo (nu mi klama lo zarci be lo cukta 
kei)", which is equivalent to "mi djica lo brode", and you can put the x3 of 
"djica" after that. Or you can put another selbri and make a tanru out of the 
nu-clause.

NU begins a subordinate clause, the pronoun of which is "ce'u". A relative 
clause is begun by NOI, whose terminator is "ku'o", and whose pronoun is 
"ke'a". So:

do ckaji lo ka ce'u klama lo zarci
You have the property of going to a store.

mi klama lo zarci be lo cukta poi mi tcidu bu'u lo zdani be lo jbixa'u
I'm going to a store that sells the book I read at the neighbor's house.

If you do want to terminate the sentence with "ku" and then fill the third 
place of "djica", you need three of them. Here's an example I came up with 
years ago:
lo nu punji lo sovda be lo cipnrkuku ku ku ku zvati lo zdani be lo na'e 
cipnrkuku ku ku
Laying the egg of a cuckoo is in the nest of a non-cuckoo.

Pierre
-- 
lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

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