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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o1si13866igp.1.2015.10.06.17.44.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 06 Oct 2015 17:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=RaupVTdv c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=tu8v4/BYpNWK47pT606GYA==:117 a=tu8v4/BYpNWK47pT606GYA==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=5lJygRwiOn0A:10 a=tfqD141pAAAA:8 a=ziksADtJr1HODJ8h4zIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 173.95.140.180 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [173.95.140.180] ([173.95.140.180:50135] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id A8/0D-28150-5EA64165; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 20:44:21 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC336EA1 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 20:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Ramblings on Red Hair Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 20:44:14 -0400 Message-ID: <2854735.iocIqTy6EQ@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-62-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <5610198b.8b5c810a.16123.ffffcc73SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@gmr-mx.google.com> References: <5610198b.8b5c810a.16123.ffffcc73SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@gmr-mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 1768 On Saturday, October 03, 2015 14:08:11 lojban@fagricipni.com wrote: > mi'e la fagri cipni > > I don't know if I can do this but, I think: > .i mi se ke xunre kerfa [ke'e] > I have red hair. > > I'm not sure that the se-series can be used on a ke...ke'e grouping. > I am dissatisfied with "mi xunre se kerfa" because it says that "I am > a red possessor-of hair", which does not make it as clear that my > hair is the thing that is red. "xunre kerfa" should mean "x1 is red > hair of x2 on body part x3" -- I know that even that doesn't quite > say that the red refers to the hair being red, but it seems better > than "xunre se kerfa" to me. "mi se ke xunre kerfa" is correct. > .i tu'a mi rinka lo za'i lo kerfa be mi ku xunre binxo > I cause my hair to become red. (This is my way of saying that I dye > my hair.) Okay, but I would say the shorter "mi skagau loi kerfa lo ka xunre". > .i mi nelci lo li'i mi se kerfa lo xunre > I like the experience of my hair being red. This could mean that you like someone unspecified's experience of you having red hair. To specify that it's your experience, you can say "mi nelci lo li'i mi se kerfa lo xunre kei be mi". mu'o mi'e la .piier. noi skagau loi mi kerfa sepi'o lo me'andi -- lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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