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On Saturday, November 14, 2015 05:15:12 Erik Natanael Gustafsson wrote:
> coi ro do
>=20
> For my next composition I will again use some Lojban and the text materia=
l
> this time is quotes from important works throughout history. If you have
> any thoughts about important works or persons that should be included you
> are very welcome to suggest them to me, but mostly I just need help with
> correcting my translations.
> I have done five so far, and there will be five more, but I'm throwing th=
em
> out here and any and all suggestions for edits are much appreciated.
>=20
> 1. Bhagavad-Gita: "Vet att den som genomstr=C3=B6mmar hela kroppen =C3=A4=
r
> of=C3=B6rst=C3=B6rbar. | Ingen kan f=C3=B6rst=C3=B6ra den of=C3=B6rg=C3=
=A4ngliga andesj=C3=A4len." =3D (eng)
> "Know that the one that runs through the whole body is indestructible. No
> one can destroy the unfading spirit soul." (Translated via Swedish so the
> English translation may have strayed a bit from the original)
> 2. Bibeln: ""And blessed is she who believed that there would be a
> fulfillment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.=E2=80=9D
> 3. Konfucius: "Wherever you go, go with all your heart."
> 4. Koranen: The Quran 29:69 (Surah al-Ankabut) =E2=80=9CVerily! Allah is =
with those
> who do good deeds.=E2=80=9D
> 5. The Rights of Man: =E2=80=9CIndependence is my happiness, and I view t=
hings as
> they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and
> my religion is to do good.=E2=80=9D

Could you cite chapter and verse for the Bible and Gita as you did for the=
=20
Qur'an?=20

> 1. .i ko djuno lo du'u da poi pa'o lo mulno xadni ku flu'ente ku'o ?????
> (indestructible) .i no da daspo kakne lo pruxi ruxse'i noi na canci

I don't know the Gita, so I won't comment.

> 2. .i gi'e se cesri'a fa lo ninmu poi pu krici lo du'u da poi se cusku lo
> cevni ku'o ba mulno

* I wouldn't begin a sentence with "ije" ("gi'e" connects two selbri) to=20
translate "and" unless the "and" is there specifically as a logical=20
conjunction.
* Is this "bless" "barukah/eulog=C4=93t=C4=93/barika/benedicta" or=20
"ashrey/makaria/=E1=B9=ABovayah/beata"? I'd put "zandapma" for the former a=
nd some=20
lujvo of "gleki" for the latter.
* "se cesri'a fa" is the same as "cesri'a", unless you also fill in the x1 =
of=20
"cesri'a".
* "she" should be "ko'e/fo'a/ri/ra" or the like. I'd need the context to fi=
gure=20
out which.
* I forget the word for "fulfill", but I think it's something else.
* "Lord" should be "la .turn." or "la .iaves.", depending on which it is in=
=20
the original. If this is NT, the Aramaic makes the distinction but the Gree=
k=20
doesn't.

> 3. .i ko klama ma kau ka'ai lo mulno cnize'i po'e do
> 4. .i ja'a bo la .allax. cu kansa lo prenu poi xamgu gasnu

* There are no double consonants in Lojban. Arabic has three sounds where=
=20
Lojban has two, and this one is /h/, which is <'> in Lojban. Back before=20
dotside was accepted, I made up ".ala'um." as a transliteration of "Allah"=
=20
(the -u is nominative case, the -m or -n (I didn't remember which Arabic ha=
s)=20
is dropped in the construct state) as an example of a word containing "la"=
=20
which could not fall apart. But it should really be "la cevni" or "le cevni=
".

Pierre
--=20
Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

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