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On 11/17/2015 9:10 PM, guskant wrote:
> Le mercredi 18 novembre 2015 00:01:49 UTC, la .tamar. a =C3=A9crit :
>
>     coi
>
>     My friend wanted to know if there is an attitudinal for showing sarca=
sm.
>
>     Is there one?
>
>     Thanks :)
>
>
> {xo'o} of selma'o UI is suggested and used by many people, though not
> yet official:
> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/xo'o
>
> The parser zantufa of version 0.1 or later, as well as the current
> ilmentufa of experimental grammar, parses {xo'o} as UI.
> http://guskant.github.io/gerna_cipra/zantufa-1.html
> http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/camxes-exp.html
>
> In the past, {xo'o} was sometimes proposed for some different meanings,
> but it seems that only the proposal for the meaning of sarcasm survived.
> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/obsolete_experimental_cmavo

I'm not sure that I understand sarcasm to be humor, hence the xo'o=20
similar to zo'o doesn't work for me.  Maybe parody is the boundary=20
between sarcasm and humor (but there are probably a few ways to mark parody=
.

I believe that, back when I analyzed attitudinal coverage, most forms of=20
sarcasm were to conveyed by making a statement and marking it with=20
.ianai or .ienai, to indicate that you don't really believe what you are=20
saying.  je'unai would have similar effect.  Depending on why you are=20
being sarcastic, .ionai might be added to one of the other choices=20
mentioned. (I suspect that is the usual reason why *I* express sarcasm)

Irony, which also overlaps sarcasm and humor, has the gismu ranxi=20
assigned, so rather than inventing a cmavo I would probably do "sei=20
ranxi [se'u]" to mark it.

lojbab


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