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[212.227.17.21]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 185si221127wml.0.2016.03.16.13.55.13 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Mar 2016 13:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.21; Received: from [192.168.2.128] ([217.246.170.231]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LvlWS-1ZjqHt07K8-017XwL for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 21:55:13 +0100 Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is singularity so hard to express in lojban? To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <56E9C6ED.3080903@openmailbox.org> From: selpahi Message-ID: <56E9C834.2060806@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 21:55:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56E9C6ED.3080903@openmailbox.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Ep8pwGs8O+TDPQ7FhhHjH9/fc9XRa8HgrEIqO3wrhmMThbZaAuI 5fPmCQeJyRtfdWzxMTGsbPo/fvTDjuwNMU3YcMicBolWacoXTafBOK1NUpXXJbeRleH4N3H aAXoMG7/EB/tWdVdcm0FmoqDRAdg2grEH0jyzDOlL56/d6dAmRHcaSyUdLFI1JHEn511uQm sfGg3b6Ghr0sblBakPmlg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:1gKaOGqVCYc=:klEUgethuoJrBWvOiqNdxT 6fwUqdOM7bT7ZKvJ3UdLZEY0ojPzmG2B+pNyqAtJMIoPZ4cwShlMPCA4ypns1hYYGT+VRJWOu QFn540pMZMtAjz1lKq0tUxjZqQ2rirE/rERZ6qGe4IGqaQBkJG2lwKVjXQFUDsk5ASMjOnamb sGECAT+kOwxOuie+vNtNO+Th0PS5IOT6nJAf0jMuiJdB4G0kMi83vz6RMQm8uz+Z2cPhjvLgZ +jO652NC9zbYVmbcqK4chMESlVAbLwHqT/oiE0VGGs2pnGb4jFOY1kbEu8Kbd1PuUq7LIk1hY BNGmo3bx8ZBp954guc9/F0CLieT7A0d6r3E3taNpVMXJkpn5rqFnT8XkUD4z2dOasuLbctw+c K+Uvcqi7y36TTTDWAiDqucNEI6QN2WGQpURjqQrj0vXQYRHmV/JM4eAZm/HprgJn8MNeY0nw1 MVV6vYTbZnfE+id2v92KT0/pLC87yGUZCX4+Suyph4XVQYfpNAgvWQAm8Mq/vSVY1gmRctn1m 3ciSbIH+ieQ5b7OQGZzM/MtVPCV8KteWec9hWDC9zgRQOuUsvAs4/t/xbpafX/Oh0WVdomjgj yhAnXKEAbmgwvEffPVs/s1PDFIXJ97BxBYjnsfIvUWAvDM5vEnPHze4RX70DE2k8lqmr1MFMt 1XnHu5XXGAJhLWgvz5uWxCAcoDnEOPzqijInGpdzBTJ51dFI/033rCCNafV2d/il8tnbyV6gs uBqlSb4+DSmGnhRI3OaxBH8pkHWW11AMOw+7ku5QbddD5ZrSneZdjneF0yBRjEVJwGfT44x9S m5+5muI X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 932 On 16.03.2016 21:49, la djeikyb stuyt wrote: > Why? > Is there anything wrong with being an individual? Plurality is just as hard to express. Lojban lacks grammatical number, and specifying singular/plural either way requires extra effort, but saves effort when it's not relevant whether a noun is singular or plural, because then you don't have to do anything extra; the noun is already vague about it. Which way(s) of expressing singularity have you found so far? ~~~mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.