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Hello and welcome here;

The "x1=3Dk2" style for argument slot marking is used for showing both the=
=20
slot number (here x1), and the etymology of that slot, or in other words=20
from which argument slot of which of the source words that have been=20
used to construct the lujvo.

In the case of samyzilkei, which is a lujvo coming from the tanru {skami=20
zi'o kelci}: "x1=3Dk2 is a video game on platform x2=3Ds1", we have the x1=
=20
slot marked with the etymological information "k2", for "the second slot=20
of the gismu that is used for building this lujvo and begins with the=20
letter K", so {kelci} here, and we have the x2 slot marked with "s1", so=20
the first slot of the source gismu beginning with S, so {skami} in this=20
case.
So the first slot of {samyzilkei} is a {se kelci}, thus a game, and the=20
second slot comes from {skami}, so a computer.

=E2=80=A2 http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/help/definitions.html

As for "tityzme: g1 is a melon of cultivar g2":
This notation is similar to the previous paradigm, but the slot number=20
information (x1=3D / x2=3D / x3=3D ...) is missing, which can be even more=
=20
confusing.

Personally, I like neither of those etymological paradigms, I prefer to=20
use the simple and clear x1/x2/x3/... notation, even for lujvo. I think=20
that if the etymology of the lujvo is deemed important, it should be put=20
in the notes or in a specific field, but not clutter the definition.

Many beginners have complained about those notations. Except the page=20
I've linked above, there doesn't seem to be an explanation of those=20
notations that is readily accessible and easy to find from the main page=20
of Jbovlaste.

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


On 26/03/2016 10:25, Jimmy Stata wrote:
> Hey, so I just started learning Lojban and I've been using=20
> jbovlaste.lojban.org <http://jbovlaste.lojban.org> to learn new words,=20
> but something about the website has been confusing me: not every=20
> example is presented as x1 selbri x2. I keep finding words that use=20
> something other than x.
> For example;
> tityzme: g1 is a melon of cultivar g2
> samyzilkei: x1=3Dk2 is a video game on platform x2=3Ds1
>
> What do these different placeholder variables mean?
> I hate to ask here, but I can't seem to find an answer anywhere.
>
> ki'e sai do
> i. lo djedi ku xamgu a'o do
>

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    Hello and welcome here;<br>
    <br>
    The "x1=3Dk2" style for argument slot marking is used for showing both
    the slot number (here x1), and the etymology of that slot, or in
    other words from which argument slot of which of the source words
    that have been used to construct the lujvo.<br>
    <br>
    In the case of samyzilkei, which is a lujvo coming from the tanru
    {skami zi'o kelci}: "x1=3Dk2 is a video game on platform x2=3Ds1", we
    have the x1 slot marked with the etymological information "k2", for
    "the second slot of the gismu that is used for building this lujvo
    and begins with the letter K", so {kelci} here, and we have the x2
    slot marked with "s1", so the first slot of the source gismu
    beginning with S, so {skami} in this case.<br>
    So the first slot of {samyzilkei} is a {se kelci}, thus a game, and
    the second slot comes from {skami}, so a computer.<br>
    <br>
    =E2=80=A2 <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/help/definitions.html"=
>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/help/definitions.html</a><br>
    <br>
    As for "tityzme:=C2=A0g1 is a melon of cultivar g2":<br>
    This notation is similar to the previous paradigm, but the slot
    number information (x1=3D / x2=3D / x3=3D ...) is missing, which can be
    even more confusing.<br>
    <br>
    Personally, I like neither of those etymological paradigms, I prefer
    to use the simple and clear x1/x2/x3/... notation, even for lujvo. I
    think that if the etymology of the lujvo is deemed important, it
    should be put in the notes or in a specific field, but not clutter
    the definition.<br>
    <br>
    Many beginners have complained about those notations. Except the
    page I've linked above, there doesn't seem to be an explanation of
    those notations that is readily accessible and easy to find from the
    main page of Jbovlaste.<br>
    <br>
    mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 26/03/2016 10:25, Jimmy Stata wrote:<=
br>
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cite=3D"mid:CABKGr_qeC4WoD-zTaEmfa4CL=3D6_Xto0JtG+naB2N7MBFPCRv-A@mail.gmai=
l.com"
      type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Hey, so I just started learning Lojban and I've
        been using <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
          href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org">jbovlaste.lojban.org</a> to
        learn new words, but something about the website has been
        confusing me: not every example is presented as x1 selbri x2. I
        keep finding words that use something other than x.<br>
        For example;<br>
        <div>tityzme:=C2=A0g1 is a melon of cultivar g2<br>
          samyzilkei:=C2=A0x1=3Dk2 is a video game on platform x2=3Ds1<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>What do these different placeholder variables mean?</div>
        <div>I hate to ask here, but I can't seem to find an answer
          anywhere.<br>
          <br>
          ki'e sai do<br>
          i. lo djedi ku xamgu a'o do<br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
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