Received: from mail-yb0-f191.google.com ([209.85.213.191]:34551) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1balfC-00047O-LD for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:24:58 -0700 Received: by mail-yb0-f191.google.com with SMTP id x37sf17591491ybh.1 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:24:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=49tZPLyEiS5LcVjTwKkBkF79fDypia8DRLpllRHHVZM=; b=j9rJmVaQm/wpzPogxJz0tpLcaQm0iWTzWCpOXCG8FANOhMIw+urpXB8BkvoqsUcmND M/72LtrMi2d80ePOEDdT1MUxaSdkCEiA4t0RHMQHCEPgsOxsKaJhg2Mo7KArkT+A2eXT hyU5e5ON93cDdCLQW6MwxkvQkJuzzOhMZmBO+orHpKzZaOlN3X+vQhHjY95aMbCjo+8h Gl2RK+Xw3u2QL23Ep2XeKpaumnqgJe2OxAeMf16qwM8azL8lQODLhB8eJQznhE4unbRX kj8WY53MiZ/GkiIuXR4xpEIKEG5lcj28HPYSsandiMENiw+UoG51mtxAIhn2IZllAzVb Fj4g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=49tZPLyEiS5LcVjTwKkBkF79fDypia8DRLpllRHHVZM=; b=nUNJG/FnGYgPWq7teQbFjtEz1bLfbGdIRwBI1FaLpOYor9FnOFsB+awfoiSVWvWmRB ZPzD8JcVg4ujDxoijLY3/R7yTRxtZjLbIzJwKRvo66lBzX6aPT2gi+/wGKR59vaVGm/4 01e5WK7gcUj619iqDefeJzK3iAGNCzvnVUGPi3w9nbM0HwYT4OHN4tDytJFlz5gVVYgV dQR/TzJy/5GoS25vu6GSmaX1I+lzAqZM11KUEbY+At1YmTeHrrJlJPYFIEbBrwc7otZJ 1YA0VRMrPF2hRovZEgAU27dztN294FkhuB3mN0Lvn+fpzLCpgJT2iyky2A6splooldwH qVDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=49tZPLyEiS5LcVjTwKkBkF79fDypia8DRLpllRHHVZM=; b=HLLMI6XZrw+QK4X9fKXS/e8x0oYzCaWru/GUd1fd+fNY06zza16vNgXySArhfAWnZG vCZ//d4YCzVKD+3np32kXg9DtBZECtDF1WnmgwFc/SxY2uaYKxKklguEYi3YYucxga9S /gIa3HykJDO7gjmoKsPIQM+TNJ7+e7uo5D4Jm8puQLc3c9CwyZGJLWpT6iTDX2p2uP5Z qqO9yi8pj+DcTyeyFG3MsHYjSV8fb8Xro0VG4DPQwaFv7p0VeglvcrT610UVS8htHYiB f/kTestRPnWL0FcBhCMmleMxPUZqCz5nknITQO/AFldSTR2zRMHa8sXA9mxXXTctbI7b Ri6A== Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvu4y+YH8SWUx1q3cMkjp1fi9QPM9kvlzVeXDIBeINiUGvmjhNUUUO/GdqiCCwwrQ== X-Received: by 10.157.41.230 with SMTP id g35mr592587otd.19.1471620282676; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:24:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.157.6.135 with SMTP id 7ls4118620otx.29.gmail; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:24:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.157.42.168 with SMTP id e37mr594090otb.14.1471620282199; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Collin Damskov To: Lojban Beginners Message-Id: <07929dbe-c6c1-495b-83bc-94edad876486@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Why is place structure implied by selbri and not encoded some other way? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_23_2031793711.1471620281836" X-Original-Sender: collin.damskov@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 1048 ------=_Part_23_2031793711.1471620281836 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know a whole lot about lojban, but it seems to me that it would be = difficult to learn simply because each selbri has its own implied place str= uctures. Is there no way to encode place structure by using a particle or = something without reducing grammatical ambiguity? Why do it this way inste= ad of something that doesn't require such intense memorization of place str= uctures? Am I missing something important here? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_23_2031793711.1471620281836--