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[2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l185si787338ywb.5.2016.08.21.08.51.10 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Aug 2016 08:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22e; Received: by mail-yw0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id z8so38849150ywa.1 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2016 08:51:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.129.129.134 with SMTP id r128mr14363548ywf.179.1471794669953; Sun, 21 Aug 2016 08:51:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.157.72 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2016 08:50:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <07929dbe-c6c1-495b-83bc-94edad876486@googlegroups.com> References: <07929dbe-c6c1-495b-83bc-94edad876486@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 10:50:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is place structure implied by selbri and not encoded some other way? 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This idea was continued in Lojban. stevo On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Collin Damskov wrote: > I don't know a whole lot about lojban, but it seems to me that it would be > difficult to learn simply because each selbri has its own implied place > structures. Is there no way to encode place structure by using a particle > or something without reducing grammatical ambiguity? Why do it this way > instead of something that doesn't require such intense memorization of > place structures? 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IIRC, place structures were introduced in the original Logla= n to avoid the inconsistency of prepositional use. This idea was continued = in Lojban.=C2=A0

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On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Collin Damsko= v <collin.damskov@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know a whole lot about lojban, but it seems t= o me that it would be difficult to learn simply because each selbri has its= own implied place structures.=C2=A0 Is there no way to encode place struct= ure by using a particle or something without reducing grammatical ambiguity= ?=C2=A0 Why do it this way instead of something that doesn't require su= ch intense memorization of place structures?=C2=A0 Am I missing something i= mportant here?

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