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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] djekarni (Diary): le karni fe la timoteios.
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 10:27:06 +0100
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Hi Timothy,

On Tue, 9 Aug 2016, at 07:25 AM, Timothy Lawrence wrote:
> What do you mean by "eats"? I gather you aren't using the word literally.
> Is there a Lojbanic word for the concept?

Grammatically, a word in the selma'o (cmavo grammatical class) DOI or
COI will consume a sumti after it, unless terminated by {do'u}. That's
what's meant by "eats"; I'm not sure if there's a Lojban word for it.
When I was learning, I found it very helpful to put my sentences through
a parser to be sure that they parse the way I intended, for example
https://lojban.github.io/ilmentufa/camxes-exp.html

The relevant part of CLL appears to be
https://lojban.github.io/cll/6/11/.

> Oh, I read http://lojban.github.io/cll/13/14/index.html further and
> perhaps pe'u requires a name parameter?
> 
> So, would this be correct?
> 
> pe'u do.i ko dragau mi

More correct would probably be

{pe'u do ko dragau mi}
or
{pe'u do'u ko dragau mi}

But as you can see these are somewhat clunky, which is why people might
prefer to use {e'o}. Attitudinals (in selma'o UI) are basically
invisible to the grammar and essentially attach to the nearest
grammatical structure (to give a slightly imprecise definition that
should be good enough for now).

> 
>...snip...
> 
> In regards to
> la plipe cu citka le srasu ni'i la plipe cu pipyjalra
> was there a way I could have written it using the equivalent of "it" or
> "she" as per the English version? I didn't because I wasn't sure how.
> 

There are two ways to use pronouns in Lojban. One uses the dedicated
pronoun sequence {ko'a}, {ko'e}, ..., {ri}, {ra},  etc with {goi}, or
use the fact that a letteral refers to the last sumti starting with that
letter. Thus:

{la plipe goi ko'a citka lo srasu ki'u lo ka ko'a pipyjalra}
or
{la plipe cu citka lo srasu ki'u lo ka py pipyjalra}

(Note I've also altered other parts of that sentence to make it more
correct/idiomatic)

Hopefully that makes more sense now!

Thanks,
Josh

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