Received: from mail-pf0-f184.google.com ([209.85.192.184]:34032) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c4S4f-0006iK-7l for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 04:34:00 -0800 Received: by mail-pf0-f184.google.com with SMTP id i88sf50897100pfk.1 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 04:33:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=pTg6igmeMqYkAMXIXIET+EgXQfXL/lp/QycQB/aHVqY=; b=fy+DhBo2bDq0ct1CPsngWekhuWE17uu51Ztu6z/Eji8X+e/rWnlZyVBA3Ue3D+dQZz bnGUfQK1KjRZzteZ4Oq5pXYqhdsmUNXY6LOhwf9dWGaq5tWlOd/LTKVvzKvhN4egJoDD Nr3WYdsXKspUFIn6rLxjdb/q9kcoOJt/fd8uny3c9YsmnHW8svrgZau6IYVMi6mEc4Oa WffwE99hu4AOxX1N0WiEdiq4ru/1V0n0tKKjs8ElISBJf087eI0Rkf9TOr9tufoahS+s pUnpcFfXVP7XT2EC15W6diLLUchqryiVyPV+OWRDdNv75vUy/llRyvo6ZT0BiJHx/j0O fLUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=pTg6igmeMqYkAMXIXIET+EgXQfXL/lp/QycQB/aHVqY=; b=D1wvTS4tGlnUtZoqsXG9lU8EDiUuPnklymwWOYEP8YSlvKVc82T6bzqWusfDy2o+dn KB1A5ce3bJucjTWlZPS2vuHjU18WxpfC7qGvYrxyTWyMmI/lFKDtZPmxIBQfYTpnQ/rE B8Gu7xF6V3KC4rLK3QOw+NklRhWQ0F8mUMpTNHKqrBX4snC5aGyZbVLbGGjCidtRkH/Z 8N0WHIEBGIEazxry4sDtbVG8wpOfG0xEcmilb6/7Cd6/ilTTiZSo2TcExEKNfTtvqAj+ OM52osBetGW2IqCim9YgGmDcX5F6AdpJ1eFrEaHr/tQRTI2IbVkz2BNicmq4qiSGPp5t kZnA== Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvewH3UWVoDWThC3hTVUTg9711228/KvvvCboPmqddsciVgR5gT/WV78WpYXPdxS2A== X-Received: by 10.157.37.247 with SMTP id q110mr1211352ota.5.1478694827026; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 04:33:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.157.18.246 with SMTP id g109ls9523556otg.7.gmail; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 04:33:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.237.34.248 with SMTP id q53mr1363320qtc.68.1478694826193; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 04:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.84.74 with SMTP id i71msoib; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 14:53:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.157.37.125 with SMTP id j58mr931973otd.18.1478645619579; Tue, 08 Nov 2016 14:53:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 14:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: uakci To: Lojban Beginners Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to say research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_3063_1098229738.1478645619340" X-Original-Sender: ciuak.prog@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.5 X-Spam_score_int: -34 X-Spam_bar: --- Content-Length: 10133 ------=_Part_3063_1098229738.1478645619340 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3064_152787355.1478645619340" ------=_Part_3064_152787355.1478645619340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday, 3 November 2016 13:43:18 UTC+1, suzanys wrote: > > .i coi la mustafa > =C2=ABmustafa=C2=BB breaks down into =C2=ABmu stafa=C2=BB, "five stafa" (wh= atever that may be).=20 Please use an appriopriate cmevla such as =C2=AB.mustafas.=C2=BB or =C2=AB.= mustaf.=C2=BB. ~ uakci =20 > > You could maybe say {cnino se djuno facki} for "x1 (new knowledge)-y=20 > discovers x2(fact, lo du'u...) about subject x3". > If you made it into a lujvo, it could be {ninseljunfa'i}. > What's the point of discovering? It's gaining new knowledge. In other=20 words, specifying that the facts found out are new knowledge is redundant. =20 > > "I research/discover the fact that cats are indeed animals." -- {.i mi=20 > ninseljunfa'i lo du'u lo mlatu cu ja'a danlu} > "I research/discover some fact(s) about the atomic nucleus." -- {.i mi=20 > ninseljunfa'i tu'a lo ratmidju} > "I research/discover about subject soft condensed matter physics." -- {.i= =20 > mi ninseljunfa'i fi lo ka ranti je denmi marji fisli} > > {lo du'u} -- the fact of... > {tu'a} =3D=3D {lo su'u} -- the unspecified event involving object... > {lo ka} -- the property of... (I often use this for subjects, like the=20 > subject of physics {lo ka fisli}, the subject of swimming {lo ka limna}) > This is incorrect; =C2=ABfacki lo ka ranti je denmi marji fisli=C2=BB means= "to find=20 out to be soft condenced matter physics". =C2=ABka=C2=BB isn't a subject; i= t may be=20 used and interpreted by the selbri it's used in. If you want to express the= =20 last sentence, go for =C2=ABfacki sera'a lo ... fisli=C2=BB, =C2=ABfacki fi= lo si'o ...=20 fisli=C2=BB. =20 > > Does this make sense? Also if someone else reads this and finds errors in= =20 > what I said, please correct! > Here you go. =20 > > .i mu'o mi'e la .suzil. > Why the =C2=AB.i=C2=BB everywhere? COI don't need an =C2=AB.i=C2=BB to be g= rammatically correct=20 (because they are so-called free modifiers: they can appear basically=20 everywhere). ~ uakci =20 =20 > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:20 PM, Mustafa =C4=B0pekbayrak > wrote: > >> co'i ro do >> How can I say "researchs" in lojban. This word is not in jbovlaste. 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On Thursday, 3 November 2016 13:43:18 UTC+1, suzan= ys wrote:
.i = coi la mustafa

=C2=ABmustafa=C2=BB br= eaks down into =C2=ABmu stafa=C2=BB, "five stafa" (whatever that = may be). Please use an appriopriate cmevla such as =C2=AB.mustafas.=C2=BB o= r =C2=AB.mustaf.=C2=BB.

~ uakci
=C2=A0

=
You could maybe say {cnino se djuno facki} for "x1 (new kno= wledge)-y discovers x2(fact, lo du'u...) about subject x3".
<= div>If you made it into a lujvo, it could be {ninseljunfa'i}.

What's the point of discovering? It&= #39;s gaining new knowledge. In other words, specifying that the facts foun= d out are new knowledge is redundant.
=C2=A0

"I = research/discover the fact that cats are indeed animals." -- {.i mi ni= nseljunfa'i lo du'u lo mlatu cu ja'a danlu}
"I r= esearch/discover some fact(s) about the atomic nucleus." -- {.i mi nin= seljunfa'i tu'a lo ratmidju}
"I research/discover ab= out subject soft condensed matter physics." -- {.i mi ninseljunfa'= i fi lo ka ranti je denmi marji fisli}

{lo du'= u} -- the fact of...
{tu'a} =3D=3D {lo su'u} -- the unspe= cified event involving object...
{lo ka} -- the property of... (I= often use this for subjects, like the subject of physics {lo ka fisli}, th= e subject of swimming {lo ka limna})

This is incorrect; =C2=ABfacki lo ka ranti je denmi marji fisli=C2=BB= means "to find out to be soft condenced matter physics". =C2=ABk= a=C2=BB isn't a subject; it may be used and interpreted by the selbri i= t's used in. If you want to express the last sentence, go for =C2=ABfac= ki sera'a lo ... fisli=C2=BB, =C2=ABfacki fi lo si'o ... fisli=C2= =BB.
=C2=A0

Does this make sense? Also if someone els= e reads this and finds errors in what I said, please correct!

Here you go.
=C2=A0

.i= mu'o mi'e la .suzil.

W= hy the =C2=AB.i=C2=BB everywhere? COI don't need an =C2=AB.i=C2=BB to b= e grammatically correct (because they are so-called free modifiers: they ca= n appear basically everywhere).

~ uakci
= =C2=A0
=C2=A0
<= div>
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:20 PM, Mustafa =C4= =B0pekbayrak <mustafai...@gmail.com> wrote:

co'i ro do
How can I say "researchs" in lojban. This word is not in jbovlast= e. I am really confused about it.

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