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I have been working on compiling a basic flashcard set for Lojban 
conjugations here, based off of "The Crash Course":

https://www.memrise.com/course/1457818/lojban-conjugation/

"The Crash Course" gives the following conjugation:

*I used to see = {mi bu'u pu zu viska}*

From what I've read so far, "bu'u" means "in, through, around," as in {mi 
cadzu bu'u le tcadu} = I walk through the city. "pu zu" would be "a long 
time ago." So "bu'u pu zu" would be "in/through/around the location of a 
distant time." 

First question: is "bu'u" even correct, as it seems to refer in all other 
cases to a physical location, and not to a temporal one?

If "bu'u pu zu" *is *correct, this seems closer to the Spanish Imperfect 
tense than anything we have in English. "I used to..." in English *can* 
mean something like "I used to live in that city," where living there is a 
formerly sustained state now distant in time, as would be expressed by the 
imperfect. But it could also mean "I used to walk through that park," which 
is not a sustained state, but a habitual occurrence which might have only 
ceased last week. In that case, wouldn't "I used to..." instead be "mi pu 
ta'e..."? 

The difference would be:

*I used to see = {mi bu'u pu zu viska}* <-- with the implication I no 
longer see, and am now blind
*I used to see = {mi pu ta'e viska} *     <-- with the implication I 
habitually saw something (a person, painting, a view out the window} which 
I am now prevented from being able to see by time or circumstance

Would that be correct? Should those two expressions be different 
conjugations in Lojban?

Thanks for your help!


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r><a href=3D"https://www.memrise.com/course/1457818/lojban-conjugation/">ht=
tps://www.memrise.com/course/1457818/lojban-conjugation/</a><br><br>&quot;T=
he Crash Course&quot; gives the following conjugation:<br><br><div style=3D=
"margin-left: 40px;"><b>I used to see =3D {mi bu&#39;u pu zu viska}</b><br>=
</div><br>From what I&#39;ve read so far, &quot;bu&#39;u&quot; means &quot;=
in, through, around,&quot; as in {mi cadzu bu&#39;u le tcadu} =3D I walk th=
rough the city. &quot;pu zu&quot; would be &quot;a long time ago.&quot; So =
&quot;bu&#39;u pu zu&quot; would be &quot;in/through/around the location of=
 a distant time.&quot; <br><br>First question: is &quot;bu&#39;u&quot; even=
 correct, as it seems to refer in all other cases to a physical location, a=
nd not to a temporal one?<br><br>If &quot;bu&#39;u pu zu&quot; <i>is </i>co=
rrect, this seems closer to the Spanish Imperfect tense than anything we ha=
ve in English. &quot;I used to...&quot; in English <i>can</i> mean somethin=
g like &quot;I used to live in that city,&quot; where living there is a for=
merly sustained state now distant in time, as would be expressed by the imp=
erfect. But it could also mean &quot;I used to walk through that park,&quot=
; which is not a sustained state, but a habitual occurrence which might hav=
e only ceased last week. In that case, wouldn&#39;t &quot;I used to...&quot=
; instead be &quot;mi pu ta&#39;e...&quot;? <br><br>The difference would be=
:<br><br><div style=3D"margin-left: 40px;"><b>I used to see =3D {mi bu&#39;=
u pu zu viska}</b> &lt;-- with the implication I no longer see, and am now =
blind<br><b>I used to see =3D {mi pu ta&#39;e viska}=C2=A0</b>=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;-- with the implication I habitually saw something (a pers=
on, painting, a view out the window} which I am now prevented from being ab=
le to see by time or circumstance<br><br></div>Would that be correct? Shoul=
d those two expressions be different conjugations in Lojban?<br><br>Thanks =
for your help!<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></div>

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