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    > I have been working on compiling a basic flashcard set for Lojban > conjugations
    here, based off of "The Crash Course": > > https://www.memrise.com/course/1457818/lojban-conjugation/
    > > "The Crash Course" gives the following conjugation: > > *I used to see
    = {mi bu'u pu zu viska}* > > From what I've read so far, "bu'u" means "in,
    through, around," as in {mi > cadzu bu'u le tcadu} = I walk through the city.
    "pu zu" would be "a long > time ago." So "bu'u pu zu" would be "in/through/around
    the location of a > distant time." > [...] 
 
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2017-04-10 12:20 GMT+02:00 Sarandib22 <danicamichaels@hotmail.com>:

> I have been working on compiling a basic flashcard set for Lojban
> conjugations here, based off of "The Crash Course":
>
> https://www.memrise.com/course/1457818/lojban-conjugation/
>
> "The Crash Course" gives the following conjugation:
>
> *I used to see =3D {mi bu'u pu zu viska}*
>
> From what I've read so far, "bu'u" means "in, through, around," as in {mi
> cadzu bu'u le tcadu} =3D I walk through the city. "pu zu" would be "a lon=
g
> time ago." So "bu'u pu zu" would be "in/through/around the location of a
> distant time."
>

There's one thing here should be clarified: prepositions take sumti, never
verbs or other prepositions. {bu'u} and {pu zu} here don't really interact
with each other. {bu'u} just means "here, there, at some specifc place",
and {pu zu} just means "a long time ago" =E2=80=94 they independently modif=
y the
sentence.


>
> First question: is "bu'u" even correct, as it seems to refer in all other
> cases to a physical location, and not to a temporal one?
>
> If "bu'u pu zu" *is *correct, this seems closer to the Spanish Imperfect
> tense than anything we have in English. "I used to..." in English *can*
> mean something like "I used to live in that city," where living there is =
a
> formerly sustained state now distant in time, as would be expressed by th=
e
> imperfect. But it could also mean "I used to walk through that park," whi=
ch
> is not a sustained state, but a habitual occurrence which might have only
> ceased last week. In that case, wouldn't "I used to..." instead be "mi pu
> ta'e..."?
>
> The difference would be:
>
> *I used to see =3D {mi bu'u pu zu viska}* <-- with the implication I no
> longer see, and am now blind
> *I used to see =3D {mi pu ta'e viska} *     <-- with the implication I
> habitually saw something (a person, painting, a view out the window} whic=
h
> I am now prevented from being able to see by time or circumstance
>
> Would that be correct? Should those two expressions be different
> conjugations in Lojban?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2017-04-10 12:20 GMT+02:00 Sarandib22 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:danicamichaels@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">danicamichaels@hotmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I h=
ave been working on compiling a basic flashcard set for Lojban conjugations=
 here, based off of &quot;The Crash Course&quot;:<br><br><a href=3D"https:/=
/www.memrise.com/course/1457818/lojban-conjugation/" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://www.memrise.com/<wbr>course/1457818/lojban-<wbr>conjugation/</a><br><br=
>&quot;The Crash Course&quot; gives the following conjugation:<br><br><div =
style=3D"margin-left:40px"><b>I used to see =3D {mi bu&#39;u pu zu viska}</=
b><br></div><br>From what I&#39;ve read so far, &quot;bu&#39;u&quot; means =
&quot;in, through, around,&quot; as in {mi cadzu bu&#39;u le tcadu} =3D I w=
alk through the city. &quot;pu zu&quot; would be &quot;a long time ago.&quo=
t; So &quot;bu&#39;u pu zu&quot; would be &quot;in/through/around the locat=
ion of a distant time.&quot; <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The=
re&#39;s one thing here should be clarified: prepositions take sumti, never=
 verbs or other prepositions. {bu&#39;u} and {pu zu} here don&#39;t really =
interact with each other. {bu&#39;u} just means &quot;here, there, at some =
specifc place&quot;, and {pu zu} just means &quot;a long time ago&quot; =E2=
=80=94 they independently modify the sentence.<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>First question: is &quot;=
bu&#39;u&quot; even correct, as it seems to refer in all other cases to a p=
hysical location, and not to a temporal one?<br><br>If &quot;bu&#39;u pu zu=
&quot; <i>is </i>correct, this seems closer to the Spanish Imperfect tense =
than anything we have in English. &quot;I used to...&quot; in English <i>ca=
n</i> mean something like &quot;I used to live in that city,&quot; where li=
ving there is a formerly sustained state now distant in time, as would be e=
xpressed by the imperfect. But it could also mean &quot;I used to walk thro=
ugh that park,&quot; which is not a sustained state, but a habitual occurre=
nce which might have only ceased last week. In that case, wouldn&#39;t &quo=
t;I used to...&quot; instead be &quot;mi pu ta&#39;e...&quot;? <br><br>The =
difference would be:<br><br><div style=3D"margin-left:40px"><b>I used to se=
e =3D {mi bu&#39;u pu zu viska}</b> &lt;-- with the implication I no longer=
 see, and am now blind<br><b>I used to see =3D {mi pu ta&#39;e viska}=C2=A0=
</b>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;-- with the implication I habitually saw s=
omething (a person, painting, a view out the window} which I am now prevent=
ed from being able to see by time or circumstance<br><br></div>Would that b=
e correct? Should those two expressions be different conjugations in Lojban=
?<br><br>Thanks for your help!<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888=
"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb=
"><font color=3D"#888888">

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