Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c07::234;
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAKOEKkT756jPCyHHY3FcihUKH2ALK7bJ4EHSRb6RZyWYarTpzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eb0afd67-548e-4329-914c-f61ba2a7e197@googlegroups.com> <CAKOEKkT756jPCyHHY3FcihUKH2ALK7bJ4EHSRb6RZyWYarTpzg@mail.gmail.com>
From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 16:42:54 -0400
Message-ID: <CAKOEKkTK_u-qaoZvW_tg75V+eoCxKXvX=U4bLCpduLJFTyjOFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question on Crash Course: .i vs i with no dot
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1ce05e07265a055968ae56"
Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com
X-Spam_score: -4.1
X-Spam_score_int: -40
X-Spam_bar: ----
Content-Length: 7037

--94eb2c1ce05e07265a055968ae56
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

(It could also be written paMLAtucupinxe.ileMLAtucutaske)  But don't do
it.  It's obnoxious :-) )
      --gejyspa

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
wrote:

>   It is not.  The . is an indicator of a glottal stop or pause.  Said
> pause is mandatory in speech (before a word starting with a vowel, after a
> "la", "lai" or "doi", and after any word ending with a consonant), and the
> dot is there to remind you of it.  It also provides a nice visual break in
> long blocks of text, but if you are putting spaces in between words, you
> don't need it.  For example, the utterance you wrote can also be written
> pamlatu cupinxe.ilemlatu cutaske and the parser would still understand it.
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 10:08 PM, Forrest Cahoon <forrest.cahoon@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm just starting to learn Lojban, using the Crash Course. I came across
>> this:
>>
>> *pa mlatu cu pinxe i le mlatu cu taske*
>> *There is a cat that is drinking. The cat is thirsty.*
>>
>> The course has introduced *.i* as a sentence separator, but not a lone
>> *i* without the leading dot. When I tried this on the lojban parser at
>> https://lojban.github.io/ilmentufa/glosser/glosser.htm, it appeared to
>> be accepted as valid Lojban, so I guess it's not a mistake.
>>
>> What are the rules here? Is the dot not always required in front of the i
>> sentence separator?
>>
>> Forrest
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>> "Lojban Beginners" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
>> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--94eb2c1ce05e07265a055968ae56
Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"ltr">(It could also be written=C2=A0paMLAtucupinxe.ileMLAtucuta=
ske) =C2=A0But don&#39;t do it.=C2=A0 It&#39;s obnoxious :-) )<div>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Michael Turniansky <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 It is not.=C2=A0 The . is an indicator of a glo=
ttal stop or pause.=C2=A0 Said pause is mandatory in speech (before a word =
starting with a vowel, after a &quot;la&quot;, &quot;lai&quot; or &quot;doi=
&quot;, and after any word ending with a consonant), and the dot is there t=
o remind you of it.=C2=A0 It also provides a nice visual break in long bloc=
ks of text, but if you are putting spaces in between words, you don&#39;t n=
eed it.=C2=A0 For example, the utterance you wrote can also be written<div>=
pamlatu cupinxe.ilemlatu cutaske and the parser would still understand it.<=
/div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 10:08 PM, Forrest=
 Cahoon <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:forrest.cahoon@gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">forrest.cahoon@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m just starting to learn Lojb=
an, using the Crash Course. I came across this:<div><br></div><div><b style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;text-align:justi=
fy">pa mlatu cu pinxe i le mlatu cu taske</b><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);=
font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;text-align:justify"><i style=3D"color=
:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;text-align:justify">There=
 is a cat that is drinking. The cat is thirsty.</i><br></div><div><br></div=
><div>The course has introduced <b>.i</b>=C2=A0as a sentence separator, but=
 not a lone <b>i</b>=C2=A0without the leading dot. When I tried this on the=
 lojban parser at=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://lojban.github.io/ilmentufa/glosse=
r/glosser.htm" target=3D"_blank">https://lojban.github.io/il<wbr>mentufa/gl=
osser/glosser.htm</a>, it appeared to be accepted as valid Lojban, so I gue=
ss it&#39;s not a mistake.</div><div><br></div><div>What are the rules here=
? Is the dot not always required in front of the i sentence separator?</div=
><span class=3D"m_-596502492143886551HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div><=
br></div><div>Forrest</div><div><br></div></font></span></div><span class=
=3D"m_-596502492143886551HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

<p></p>

-- <br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &=
quot;Lojban Beginners&quot; group.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e=
mail to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@g<wbr>ooglegroups.com</a>.<br>
To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban-beginners@goo=
glegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban-beginners@googlegroups.<wbr>com</a>=
.<br>
Visit this group at <a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-begin=
ners" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com/grou<wbr>p/lojban-beginne=
rs</a>.<br>
For more options, visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/d/optout" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/op<wbr>tout</a>.<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &=
quot;Lojban Beginners&quot; group.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e=
mail to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com">lo=
jban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br />
To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban-beginners@goo=
glegroups.com">lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com</a>.<br />
Visit this group at <a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-begin=
ners">https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners</a>.<br />
For more options, visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/d/optout">http=
s://groups.google.com/d/optout</a>.<br />

--94eb2c1ce05e07265a055968ae56--