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[2a00:1450:4010:c07::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m74si17986wma.0.2017.10.25.19.43.40 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c07::22a; Received: by mail-lf0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id r129so2062926lff.8 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.46.68.6 with SMTP id r6mr9473904lja.1.1508985820546; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:43:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.147.81 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 19:42:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Michael Turniansky Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 22:42:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Natural example of "le" To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1a656cce0ea5055c6a2376" X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=sMyQtgeX; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mturniansky@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.1 X-Spam_score_int: -40 X-Spam_bar: ---- Content-Length: 4383 --94eb2c1a656cce0ea5055c6a2376 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" FWIW, I agree. --gejyspa On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:08 PM, .arpis. wrote: > I've been away from lojban for years now. I'm posting because I ran into > what I think is a cool bit of expressivity in "le" vs "lo". My wife asked > me to boil water and make her some tea; when I asked which tea, she > responded with "'Candy' or 'magic'." These are not names of the teas, but > just ways we refer to them. I think this would translate well as "le > titspi" and "le makfa", and that those would be more faithful than using > "la". > > Thoughts? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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=C2=A0 FWIW, I agree.
=C2=A0 --gejyspa

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 = at 10:08 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>= wrote:
I've been aw= ay from lojban for years now. I'm posting because I ran into what I thi= nk is a cool bit of expressivity in "le" vs "lo". My wi= fe asked me to boil water and make her some tea; when I asked which tea, sh= e responded with "'Candy' or 'magic'." These are = not names of the teas, but just ways we refer to them. I think this would t= ranslate well as "le titspi" and "le makfa", and that t= hose would be more faithful than using "la".

T= houghts?

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